Mobilize the Squadrons

By agnos, in Star Wars: The Card Game - Rules Questions

On the first LS turn, can the LS player use Mobilize the Squadrons objective reaction to remove a focus token from an objective?

agnos said:

On the first LS turn, can the LS player use Mobilize the Squadrons objective reaction to remove a focus token from an objective?

Yes. All you skip on the first LS turn is removal of focus tokens and shields (which shouldn't be present anyway if you haven't had a turn yet). Anything that states "after you refresh" or the objectives (Mobilize the Squadrons and Fleeing the Empire) which were errata'd to read "after your refresh phase ends,…" can still be activated.

stormwolf27 said:

agnos said:

On the first LS turn, can the LS player use Mobilize the Squadrons objective reaction to remove a focus token from an objective?

Yes. All you skip on the first LS turn is removal of focus tokens and shields (which shouldn't be present anyway if you haven't had a turn yet). Anything that states "after you refresh" or the objectives (Mobilize the Squadrons and Fleeing the Empire) which were errata'd to read "after your refresh phase ends,…" can still be activated.

I think you're wrong on this. The cards that were errated were Fleeing the Empire and Fleet Command Center, not Mobilize the Squadrons.

And the only thing you skip in the LS first turn is Step 1, the removal of focus tokens, NOT shields or anything else.

There is a case where focus tokens might be present at the beginning of the LS turn - and that is if the LS player paid for and played an event during the DS first turn. The rule about skipping Step 1 of the LS first turn refresh phase is specifically aimed at this admittedly uncommon situation.

In answer to the OP, I would say no, because the parenthetical "(Any effect with the text “after you refresh” can be used after completing this step.)" is tied to Step 1, which is explicitly skipped by the Exception immediately following: "Exception: During his first turn only, the LS player does not take this step of the refresh phase." So if the LS player has to skip step 1, the parenthetical text cannot be used.

I reserve the right to be mistaken.

Yes it does work

The refresh phase and steps still happen on the LS first turn you just skip step 1

1. He removes one focus token from each card in
his play area. (Any effect with the text “after you
refresh” can be used after completing this step.)
Exception: During his first turn only, the LS player
does not take this step of the refresh phase. Page 12
Then when you get to Step 3 you can use "after you refresh' actions
Refresh Phase (p. 12)
The parenthetical text after step 1, which reads, “…(Any
effect with the text “after you refresh” can be used after
completing this step)” is misplaced.
“After you refresh” effects should be initiated after the
completion of step 3 of the refresh phase. Errata
It doesn't matter if you skip step 1 or not you can use the action on Mobilise the Squadrons

ziggy2000 said:

stormwolf27 said:

agnos said:

On the first LS turn, can the LS player use Mobilize the Squadrons objective reaction to remove a focus token from an objective?

Yes. All you skip on the first LS turn is removal of focus tokens and shields (which shouldn't be present anyway if you haven't had a turn yet). Anything that states "after you refresh" or the objectives (Mobilize the Squadrons and Fleeing the Empire) which were errata'd to read "after your refresh phase ends,…" can still be activated.

I think you're wrong on this. The cards that were errated were Fleeing the Empire and Fleet Command Center, not Mobilize the Squadrons.

And the only thing you skip in the LS first turn is Step 1, the removal of focus tokens, NOT shields or anything else.

There is a case where focus tokens might be present at the beginning of the LS turn - and that is if the LS player paid for and played an event during the DS first turn. The rule about skipping Step 1 of the LS first turn refresh phase is specifically aimed at this admittedly uncommon situation.

In answer to the OP, I would say no, because the parenthetical "(Any effect with the text “after you refresh” can be used after completing this step.)" is tied to Step 1, which is explicitly skipped by the Exception immediately following: "Exception: During his first turn only, the LS player does not take this step of the refresh phase." So if the LS player has to skip step 1, the parenthetical text cannot be used.

I reserve the right to be mistaken.

While I will admit I missed on which specific cards were errata'd (I'm actually quite tired and misread the entry in the errata section), I sent this in to FFG ages ago because it came up in a tournament shortly after the FAQ came out and both the other player and myself could not agree on the interpretation of this situation. The answer I received from Nate French was in the affirmative, for the same reason pointed out by Kordos.

In short:

It works.

Sorry if it makes you pull your hair out cause the LS player can Jedi Mind Trick one of your guys you were gonna commit to the force and then use Mobilize to get that resource back, but them's the breaks.

stormwolf27 said:

Sorry if it makes you pull your hair out cause the LS player can Jedi Mind Trick one of your guys you were gonna commit to the force and then use Mobilize to get that resource back, but them's the breaks.

If they have 2 Mobilize the Squadrons out, and use one focus token on each to pay for Rebel Assault to kill the Tarkin you just played on turn 1, they can use the reactions on both of them to get their money back and have a full economy on their first turn.

:D

Micah

stormwolf27 said:


While I will admit I missed on which specific cards were errata'd (I'm actually quite tired and misread the entry in the errata section), I sent this in to FFG ages ago because it came up in a tournament shortly after the FAQ came out and both the other player and myself could not agree on the interpretation of this situation. The answer I received from Nate French was in the affirmative, for the same reason pointed out by Kordos.

In short:

It works.

Sorry if it makes you pull your hair out cause the LS player can Jedi Mind Trick one of your guys you were gonna commit to the force and then use Mobilize to get that resource back, but them's the breaks.

I said I reserved the right to be mistaken, and I was. I missed the FAQ reference cited by Kordos. I was tired too. And I wasn't pulling my hair out over anything, I have too little of it left to resort to that.

ziggy2000 said:

stormwolf27 said:


While I will admit I missed on which specific cards were errata'd (I'm actually quite tired and misread the entry in the errata section), I sent this in to FFG ages ago because it came up in a tournament shortly after the FAQ came out and both the other player and myself could not agree on the interpretation of this situation. The answer I received from Nate French was in the affirmative, for the same reason pointed out by Kordos.

In short:

It works.

Sorry if it makes you pull your hair out cause the LS player can Jedi Mind Trick one of your guys you were gonna commit to the force and then use Mobilize to get that resource back, but them's the breaks.

I said I reserved the right to be mistaken, and I was. I missed the FAQ reference cited by Kordos. I was tired too. And I wasn't pulling my hair out over anything, I have too little of it left to resort to that.

Sorry. Shouldn't have generalized. I didn't mean you in particular… I just know people that have done that ;-)

I don't see how this would come up? On your first refresh you have nothing out which can have a focus token on it to remove??

Wheelz said:

I don't see how this would come up? On your first refresh you have nothing out which can have a focus token on it to remove??

You do if you used a card on the DS player's first turn. Like playing a Rebel Assault on the Dark Side Apprentice he played to win the force struggle.

Wheelz said:

I don't see how this would come up? On your first refresh you have nothing out which can have a focus token on it to remove??

The LS player can still play events/reactions/interrupts on the DS player's first turn, so an objective like this out helps make that decision on sacrificing the resources for it a little less devastating.