rumor around the 'net is that GW is pulling support for ALL specialist games, not just for battlefleet Gothic. if true, that means getting ships and minis for ship to ship combat is going to be an expensive proposition.

up to you all if you want to go get ships now or not…but as for myself, i'm putting in a few bulk orders when I get my next paycheck. figured I'd share with the community. choose wisely!

I dont see an issue with losing the BFG ships - they are ancient, overpriced and not very good. You can still acquire them off ebay if you really desire or you can use any other number of sci-fi ship models out there. Firestorm Armada models get some use in my games.

I have looked at firestorm, they have a few ships that would make very nice stand in. How well do the models hold up?

This is really sad

Personally I don't get GW's business model. I understand that they have a captive market for the most part, but don't they realise that for lower prices on their stuff they would sell more and therefore make more money?

FFG (or someone else) buying the BFG game line and using it to support RT would be amazing. Doubt GW would let anyone else take on their IP like that though.

Hunterindarkness said:

They are sturdy resin and metal models - they have quite a weight to them and ive not had any issue so far. Also the scale is really nice on them, i play Terrans and the Mk1 battleship is 18cm long!

That is rather large,but I like that kinda size myself. What do you use them for 40k wise? A few of them really do have a sleeker look but kinda have the right base shape.

FYI: I spoke with a GW rep today about the BFG line. He did not know of any plans to cancel the entire line but said that some of specialist games lesser sellers were being pulled. Other stuff is on back order and is supposed to be restocked (Currently!)

And that contradicts what Forgeworld and GW customer service in the UK have said. Much as it'd be great to see some ships remain, truth is the lines are dead (in the sense that no official models will be getting made anymore).

Ebay, secondary markets, alternative proxies etc.

The new GW store in my town (Portland, Or) allows you to order stuff off the GW website and have it delivered to the store, without charging you for shipping. I just dropped $100 of my tax refund on some Necromunda figs at $5 apiece- not a price we're likely to see on eBay ever again (if the rumor of Specialist games being cancelled is true- which I think likely). House VanSaar figs make great ship's crew!

Hunterindarkness said:

Arguably it doesnt matter what you use for what, it's really only the stem of the flight stand for distances and the square base for measuring arcs that matters.

RobOut said:

No, they would sell slightly more and make less money. They know their market and what price it will pay. Dropping the price wouldn't make their customers buy many more models or attract many more customers and lead to less profit per unit sold. So they charge as much as they can get away with… and they do.

This certainly isn't speculation and was a bit of a shock to me this week - there's only a few BFG ships available for sale at the UK GW page.

macd21 said:

I was just in my local game store yesterday, and the clerk was freaking out about GW 's upcoming price increase. Apparently, they are going to raising their prices by about 20% this year! Yikes! People have been complaining about GW 's prices for as long as I can remember, but I think this jump will likely trigger a revolt among tabletop gamers. GW doesn't have a near-monopoly on good TT games and miniatures like they did 20 (or even 10) years ago. As a preview of Things To Come, I was going to pick up a box of the new plastic Shadow Elves for WH40KRP conversions, and I'm still reeling from sticker shock: $50 for a box of 10! With the 40K Core Rulebook going from an already-breathtaking $75 to a staggering $90 (!), how does GW expect to recruit new players?

Want to buy what do you have

Not to defend GW but let's do a little math: When I started playing D&D The minimum wage was something like $3.00 an hour (Yes it was that long ago ) and the 3 rule books you needed to play the game sold for about $70.00 all together. (plus mini's or any other various items you might desire. Now the Minimum wage is up to almost $9.00 an hour in some places. What should a complete rulebook cost?

GW does a price increase way above salary/inflation costs though. I presume they're trying to figure out how big a margin they can get.

And i understand wanting to discontinue games that have little interest, the molds for making the models are expensive and the storage space required (not for the models, the manufacturing stuff) probably isn't all too cheap.

Not to defend GW but let's do a little math: When I started playing D&D The minimum wage was something like $3.00 an hour (Yes it was that long ago ) and the 3 rule books you needed to play the game sold for about $70.00 all together. (plus mini's or any other various items you might desire. Now the Minimum wage is up to almost $9.00 an hour in some places. What should a complete rulebook cost?

Checking the pricing on my books, and looking up release dates we have these figures:

1st Ed AD&D (1977) - $15 for PHB, MMI and MMII, $18 for DMG

2nd Ed AD&D (1989) - $20 for PHB, $22 for DMG, Monstrous Compendium/Monster Manuel

3rd Ed D&D (2000) - $19.95 PHB, DMG, and MM

3.5 Ed D&D (2003) - Initial run as above, later runs $29.95 PHB, DMG, and MM

If I recall the D&D box sets (as of 1983/Version 4) started at $18 for the Red box and topped out at $22 for with the Black and Gold boxes. Could be wrong there as I no longer own those. The Rules Cyclopedia was, I think, $30 or $35.

So, prices for one of the most well known hobby games really didn't inflate much until the 2000's. When you have a quality product that people enjoy, you can usually get away with charging more, but some companies seem to think all hobbyists have ridiculous amounts of disposable income to buy their products. I know I don't. I sacrifice other things so I can enjoy time with friends pretending to be things I am not.

-=Brother Praetus=-

Not to defend GW but let's do a little math: When I started playing D&D The minimum wage was something like $3.00 an hour (Yes it was that long ago ) and the 3 rule books you needed to play the game sold for about $70.00 all together. (plus mini's or any other various items you might desire. Now the Minimum wage is up to almost $9.00 an hour in some places. What should a complete rulebook cost?

Checking the pricing on my books, and looking up release dates we have these figures:

1st Ed AD&D (1977) - $15 for PHB, MMI and MMII, $18 for DMG

2nd Ed AD&D (1989) - $20 for PHB, $22 for DMG, Monstrous Compendium/Monster Manuel

3rd Ed D&D (2000) - $19.95 PHB, DMG, and MM

3.5 Ed D&D (2003) - Initial run as above, later runs $29.95 PHB, DMG, and MM

If I recall the D&D box sets (as of 1983/Version 4) started at $18 for the Red box and topped out at $22 for with the Black and Gold boxes. Could be wrong there as I no longer own those. The Rules Cyclopedia was, I think, $30 or $35.

So, prices for one of the most well known hobby games really didn't inflate much until the 2000's. When you have a quality product that people enjoy, you can usually get away with charging more, but some companies seem to think all hobbyists have ridiculous amounts of disposable income to buy their products. I know I don't. I sacrifice other things so I can enjoy time with friends pretending to be things I am not.

-=Brother Praetus=-

I certainly understand that! Unfortunately, we live in a world where Xbox and PS3 games sell for approx. $60.00 new! It's not terribly surprising that other game companies feel their product is worth a similar amount. Not necessarily true or fair, but there it is!