My 2 cents
Friendly games are friendly and great for training. I'm completely okay with playing people with proxy cards. (Except in tournaments) My reason being is sure my brother or my friend doesn't have 4 stealth devices, but if some one at regionals or worlds wants a team with 4 stealth devices….they're going to have 4 stealth devices. And I'm fine with training against that with my friends.
Silver leader said:
My 2 cents
Friendly games are friendly and great for training. I'm completely okay with playing people with proxy cards. (Except in tournaments) My reason being is sure my brother or my friend doesn't have 4 stealth devices, but if some one at regionals or worlds wants a team with 4 stealth devices….they're going to have 4 stealth devices. And I'm fine with training against that with my friends.
totally agree. if its not a tournamnet go the proxies. at a tourney, someone will lend u them so why not practice with and against them now to see if they r as good as u think they r
Daeglan said:
Ask him.
"Is this about what one can afford to buy with real money? Or is this about what once can field for the points given?"
His way is really about who can afford more stuff. And in a friendly game that is pretty lame. In a tournie I understand FFG's position.
Agree +1. The game is built assuming the points values for everything have been fairly assigned, money should not be a factor, since it wont be once you get what you want/need anyway. I really don't understand how proxying a card is "cheating" in any case. In what way have I given myself an unfair advantage, assuming I allow you to proxy as well?
The reason that FFG enforces "you must have the cards/models/etc" is because they make more money this way and dont't have people proxying literally everything (aka playing the game for free). It also reduces the "my TO allows this but that jerk doesnt" scenarios which can cause conflicts. Thats fine and understandable, but if I were running the tourney, I'd let you proxy all you wanted provided they were equivalent to unproxied materials. I have no stake in how much money FFG (or any other game company) make, and would be willing to accept that you hadn't chosen or been able to purchase everything you wanted.
Know I've said this a couple times, but I would rather you play the list you think is best and learn something losing than play a list you had to run because you are resource constrained and gain nothing winning. Thats not fun for either party, and thats coming from someone who values winning pretty highly.
jedi moose said:
Well i guess this isn't going my way.
Doublenot, can i play with you instead of my stupid brother? :-)
Any given Sunday, you just have to show up in Houston, Texas!
In our group, during friendly games, we have fairly liberal proxy rules that keep in mind that official rules restricting proxies have two prmary goals. The first, financial, has already been mentioned. We let players proxy something prior to investing in the change to their Army so that resources are not squandered. The second is that it reduces confusion on the part of your opponent which could lead to an advantage. When WYSIWYG is out the window it can be a burden trying to remember what models actually have what weapons, upgrades, etc…. especially when it has only been communicated verbally. For example, if I can't glance at a model and know it's weapons/capabilities when I make a tactical decision I can bet burned if I forget that X is actually Y. In other words, we try and keep in mind that, when employing proxies, you are requiring your opponent to know your list/models as intimately as they know their own. It's hard enough in a friendly game, but a nightmare in a tournament when precious time is wasted with a lot of questioning the other player as to X vs Y.
All that being said, I side with the OP. As long as he can produce a reasonable facsimile and have it placed where an “official” component would be placed then I don't see the problem. His opponent can easily see what they are facing (ship, upgrades, etc…) when making tactical decisions. Ultimately this is in the spirit of wargaming which is intended to pit two "armchair generals" against each other in a contest of tactical acumen, not rules lawyering.
CatPeeler said:
QFT
Xwingmaster said:
it sounds like "Master Dolos" could be you bro
You nailed it. Master Dolos is indeed my brother. I thought it was a little strange that this guy and my bother had the exact same argument. But he has a Cylon as his profile pic and my brother never got into BSG, so it threw me off. I guess that was part of his deception.
After further conversation i guess my brother has decided that we don't play "friendly" games, meaning that he wants every game to be as competitive and real as a tournament setting. So i guess i concede the point and we will play each game as if it was a tournament unless otherwise agreed upon.
That being said, we played last night, and it turns out I didn't need the extra stealth devices to smoke him anyway ;-)
Of course this is no friendly battle, you are playing against a sibling! LOL