My thinking it's that he can do a red maneuver getting a stress token and a focus token. Then use push the limit ..say to boost then receive a second stress token and a second focus token. This seems the case but I wanted others thoughts on this.

You would be correct Sir if you could only do that with. In order to use Push the Limits you need to be able to take an action to start with. The next issue is that you can only use one of those focuses a turn. So even though you have two focus on the ship you will only ever to be able to use one, as in core rules and clarified in FAQ, and the other would drop at the end of the turn.

CPTMcMurphy said:

This is incorrect. You can use as many focus tokens as you can manage to gather on a turn. You can only take an action once, but spending a token is not taking the action.

As for the original question: that doesn't work because after doing the red maneuver (and thus being stressed), he cannot take an action (the focus token he gains for gaining the stress is not an action). Without being able to take an action, he cannot use Push the Limit to get another action.

FAQ 1.1, first page.

CPTMcMurphy said:

Soontir Fel's card ability states:

" When you receive a stress token, you may assing 1 focus token to your ship."

Assinging a token is not taking the focus action. Therefore you could have selected focus (to get a focus token) with Soontir, get a stress token and get another focus token assinged and have two focus tokens on Soontir.

You can use as many focus tokens as you have assigned to your ship, the idea of being able to use only one token is false .

The original question was can you do a red turn and get the focus token, then use PTL to get another action and the answer to that question is no. Once you have the stress token, you can't take the PTL action because being stressed bars taking any actions.

This is a complicated issue (you might say "gamey") because of that distinction between taking an action and spending a token, which I think is counter-intuitive until you get used to it. It's tough because some cards/abilities call for assigning a free token, while some call for taking free actions.Depending on the wording, you might get more than one focus token, which you can indeed spend in the same round. What would be the point otherwise sice you have to clear them all in the end phase?

Q: Can a ship have more than one focus or evade token assigned to it? A: Yes. A ship cannot perform the focus or evade actions more than once during a round, but a game effect (such as Garven Dreis’ pilot ability) may assign additional tokens to a ship

Read the FAQ

Or page nine of the rule book.

Basicaly a ship can asign any action thats on iys action bar. Focus is an action, thats why its on your action bar. You cant do the same action twice per round.

CPTMcMurphy said:

Yes the FAQ says the exact opposite of what you did. What is the confusion?

Spending tokens is not an action. An action can generate a token.

I was under the impression that under the action heading it said chose for instance barrel roll, you then perform the barrel roll imediatly and can not perform another barrell roll that turn.

If thats the case choosing focus is an action and there is two parts to that one action. Assign the focus token to the ship to spend at a later time either attacking or defending. So thats one action.

However, a ship cannot perform the same action more than once during a single game round (not even when the action is a “free action"

Page nine of the rule book

Gaining a focus from sontir's ability however is not an action

Bazinga said:

Why are you under that impression? Nothing in the rulebook gives that impression. The FAQ and the general stress tokens rules completely dispell any such impression. Why would you be able to get multiple tokens that expire at the end of the round, if you can't spend them? With that impression you wouldn't be able to spend a token if you aquired a stress token through PtL, making that upgrade fairly useless for many ships. Soontir Fel's ability would not work at all. Etc.

Spending tokens is not, in anyway, an action, a part of an action, or requiring having an action.

This was the answer from another thread http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=331&efcid=6&efidt=794658

Bazinga said:

There is only one part to the focus action: when a ship take a focus action it gains a focus token. That is it. As the FAQ specifically addresses, if there are other ways to gain a focus token that are not taking the focus action, a ship may use those ways to gain extra focus tokens.

Spending a focus token during combat is not in any way, shape, or form an action, or part of an action, or anything like that.

See the linked post.

With Fel, you can use the focus action, then if you use PTL with some other action, such as Evade, barrel Roll, or Boost, you then gain a stress and are assigned a Focus token, thereby only taking the focus action once, and not breaking the above ruling, but ending with 2 focus which would allow you to use one on the attack and one on the defense.

This is a common build and is used at official tournaments, so I'd say it's more than legit.

Soontir Fel gets a free focus TOKEN whenever he gets stressed.
Sadly, you can only stress yourself once per turn, though it is theoretically possible to become stressed through means you cannot control.

Soontir Fel should always be the guy that shoots at a Rebel Captive, for instance, and should dodge Kath Scarlet's crits as often as possible.

However, you CANNOT Push the Limit following a Red maneuver, as you cannot perform any actions while stressed (unless you're Tycho).

Receiving the free Focus Token from the Red maneuver doesn't count as a focus action, and so you cannot even trigger PTL off of it.

See the linked post.

You might want to look at the date of that post you replied too... Before you respond to an discussion that happened 9 months ago...

CPTMcMurphy said:

FAQ 1.1, first page.

Q: Can a ship have more than one focus or

evade token assigned to it?

A: Yes. A ship cannot perform the focus or evade

actions more than once during a round, but a game

effect (such as Garven Dreis’ pilot ability) may

assign additional tokens to a ship.

Yes the FAQ says the exact opposite of what you did. What is the confusion?

Spending tokens is not an action. An action can generate a token.

This ^. I read and reread the rules and this is what it means. So this person is right.

Soontir Fel gets a free focus TOKEN whenever he gets stressed.

Sadly, you can only stress yourself once per turn, though it is theoretically possible to become stressed through means you cannot control.

Soontir Fel should always be the guy that shoots at a Rebel Captive, for instance, and should dodge Kath Scarlet's crits as often as possible.

Aye. I had a bad situation happen the other day. I attacked Fel, hit him with a critical. He got the stressed pilot crit. Received a stress and therefore a focus. I attacked him with my next ship, and the focus he received from that crit card saved his sorry $%*& from death. **** you!!! A crit is not supposed to be a good thing!

A crit is not supposed to be a good thing!

I have to admit I got a good laugh out of that... Causing stress which saves him is kinda funny.