from france

i was wondering if a player can combine differents weapons and upgrade to make a custom battle armor. i do not ssays that the players should receives all equipement he wants in one adventure. i think tha each one should be acquire trhoug a adventure and after advancement in carreer path.

i will take an example. trough his career a arbites have collected a carapace armour head body legs arms, two ligthning gantlets, a power field, a respirator mask a photo visortwo bolt pistol and two forearms weapons mounting .can he create a battle armour combining all this elements? does it permits him to shoot with it bolt pistol and strike with it lightning gauntlet?

what charasteritic it will have? what will be the price of it? who can craft it?

so it's just a an example i wish a guide to creat custom batlle armor or anything else

if you have other opinions or ideas you are welcome.

il will develope this topics latter but it s late in france so see you latter

Strictly speaking, there's nothing to prevent the character from collecting his battle-armor piecemeal like this and simply wearing and utilizing it as-is, with no extra crafting involved (unless the character just wants it all to look like part of one suit). In fact, all of those pieces are designed (or at least have variants available) for mix-and-match wear, and the drawn-out nature of their acquisition would strongly indicate that they are of this type.

Finding someone to incorporate the pieces into a single suit might prove difficult on all but Forge or technologically-advanced Hive worlds, and the daily rates would probably be fairly expensive (at least equivalent to 'good' quality medicae treatment, if not more), given the specialized nature of the armorer's trade, and a very restricted talent pool. The test itself (if you had a friendly tech-priest willing to do it for you) would fall pretty squarely into the 'Hard' category on the expanded crafting table in the Inquisitor's Handbook .

Either way, the whole kit wouldn't have any extra characteristics, beyond those of the component pieces and/or by quality of a given sub-system. Having the bolt pistols mounted to the armor's vambraces, for instance, would simply allow you to fire them instead of attacking with the lightning claw (and vice-versa).

As an aside - if you were talking about having someone combine all of those pieces into a suit of power armor - in the basic setting, that's essentially an impossible task. New power armor (even the less impressive versions used outside of the Astartes) more or less just doesn't exist. And it's doubtful that anyone but an arch-heretek would even attempt to cobble one together out of individual parts.

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i will take an example. trough his career a arbites have collected a carapace armour head body legs arms, two ligthning gantlets, a power field, a respirator mask a photo visortwo bolt pistol and two forearms weapons mounting .can he create a battle armour combining all this elements? does it permits him to shoot with it bolt pistol and strike with it lightning gauntlet?

Let's see...

We'll be using the carapace as the basis of the whole thing, so that's no problem.

The lightining gauntlets are fine too and so is the power field.

As carapace would usually have closed helmets (no way you can get up to 6 points of head protection with a free face), the respirator mask and the photo visor would have to be built into the helmet, but considering how pricey carapace is, there'd likely exist a few premium models incorporating the systems.

The bolt pistol + forearm mounting would require modifying the bolt pistols, though I'd assume it's a non-heretek modification.

All in all, you could indeed use all that stuff, with the only problem being getting a carapace helmet incorporating the mask and the photo visor - cobbling them together would sound heretekal to me. The rest of the stuff could probably simply be worn together, without need for modification.

The problems start when you're not content with just wearing the stuff together but want to combine it into one suit, as that would likely not be according to your local techpriests' views of sacred STC design.

As an aside - if you were talking about having someone combine all of those pieces into a suit of power armor - in the basic setting, that's essentially an impossible task. New power armor (even the less impressive versions used outside of the Astartes) more or less just doesn't exist. And it's doubtful that anyone but an arch-heretek would even attempt to cobble one together out of individual parts.

"More or less just doesn't exist" is both true and false. On the one hand, new power armours are being created - considering how much damage a PA holds off, chances are it will someday be attacked with some heavier ordnance like a krak grenade. While it's quite likely to survive a few owners, there's no way an armour as all-encompassing as this one would be completely unharmed with its wearer killed. So on a galaxy-wide scale, you'd quickly run out of PAs if there were no new ones. On the other hand side, the guys who get the new suits tend to be a little above a humble acolyte's rank (we're talking Inquisitors, Rogue Traders, Lord Magoi and Generals here), so in the end the result is the same.

However, I'd also assume that there are only few suits created with only the armour and the strength enhancement - in fact, I'd very much doubt there are many models that don't have extensive other systems like wrist mountings, life support systems and auspexes. Everything else would just be a huge waste of ressources.

Cifer said:

Incorporating existing Imperium technology into unified devices doesn't appear to stray into tech-heresy at all. There are the examples of combi-weapons, building the various personal energy shields into random objects, and the extensive modifications required to make a compact version of a given firearm. The trade (armorer) table even lists things like adding cameleoline coatings to armor and modifying power armor. There's even a carapace helmet that already incorporates the two devices plus a comm-bead (the helmet of a Magistratum suit).

Incorporating existing Imperium technology into unified devices doesn't appear to stray into tech-heresy at all.

It certainly doesn't stray there - if the combination already exists in the hallowed datacrypts of what's allowable. For some things (power armour with sensor upgrades or compactization), that's obviously the case. For others (incorporating feudal world Lightning Claws into modern Carapace), I'd rather doubt it.

Cifer said:

Of course, the matter of what's allowable seems to be determined by the whims of the Mechanicus. Personally, I see the servants of the Omnissiah as sneaky and conniving enough that instances of such mingled technology are judged on whether or not the Mechanicus can benefit from it by proclaiming that this apparent innovation (innovation being a sin) is actually the accidental rediscovery of lost knowledge.

They haven't maintained their monopoly on technology by being stupid, afterall.

Cifer said:

Oh, yeah - the Acerage 'lightning gauntlets' would probably not be sanctioned for use with forearm mounts and such. I was thinking about the other ' lightning claws ' (the power gauntlets designed for slashing, not bashing). Which are commonly utilized with advanced armors.