Some question on Naval enhancements

By Persiatic, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Hi

So I was building a rush deck with Bara with Oakenshield Port as my House of dream card. Then I got told that I couldn't use that because when using HoD agenda it doesn't get it's gold coins on it. So I maybe will replace it with The Iron Throne (ASitD).

Anyway here is the question I have regarding cards like Oakenshield Port and Black Betha:

When it says something like "After you win a challenge in which you have declared a [Naval] attacker" does this mean:

1. That it's enough that I win a challenge with a character that has a naval enhancement on one of it's icons?

2. That I must win with a charachter that has a naval enhancement icon and I need to win that specific challenge typ it got it's enhancement on?

3. I need to win a challenge where I have first declared a regular character and then declared an additional naval character to participtate after defenders have been announced?

Tnx

Persiatic said:

Hi

So I was building a rush deck with Bara with Oakenshield Port as my House of dream card. Then I got told that I couldn't use that because when using HoD agenda it doesn't get it's gold coins on it. So I maybe will replace it with The Iron Throne (ASitD).

Anyway here is the question I have regarding cards like Oakenshield Port and Black Betha:

When it says something like "After you win a challenge in which you have declared a [Naval] attacker" does this mean:

1. That it's enough that I win a challenge with a character that has a naval enhancement on one of it's icons?

2. That I must win with a charachter that has a naval enhancement icon and I need to win that specific challenge typ it got it's enhancement on?

3. I need to win a challenge where I have first declared a regular character and then declared an additional naval character to participtate after defenders have been announced?

Tnx

Number 3. For a character to be considered a [naval] attacker (or defender), they must enter a challenge (already in progress) thru the [naval] enhancement on the appropriate icon.

Also, it doesn't necessarily have to be after defenders are declared. Just any player action window after initiation of the challenge. Annd even not necessarily when you are attacking (unless it refers to you as the attacker in the challenge). It's great to jump in that 1 STR weenie on their side and then defend with enough to win. Great way to trigger those cards without having to declare a challenge.

Tnx for the quick response, this changes everything. Then these cards aren't as effective as I thought. I will have to re-think my whole strategy

Then I can forget about my thoughts on using black sails as agenda as well. Since that has the same writing.

Persiatic said:

Then I can forget about my thoughts on using black sails as agenda as well. Since that has the same writing.

I've used the strategy many a time of jumping in a weenie on their side and enough STR on the defense (all through the [naval] mechanic) to win the challenge… all before they can stealth anything, to trigger Black Sails. All because of the wording on the agenda being that you just have to have declared a [naval] attacker on a challenge you win.

oh so you mean that you can decalre one of your own naval characters as naval attacker on opponents side?

As strange as it might sound, yes. You can declare a naval attacker/defender against yourselve. You can´t start (declare) a challenge against yourselve, but you can jump troops against yourselve in a given challenge, wich means I´m gonna get those neutral naval ehns on my martell deck. Aero is going to have so much fun… ^^