New Keywords and Keyword Abilities!

By ARMed_PIrate, in UFS General Discussion

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Viewtiful_Joe said:

I think that if people are serious about having Bitter Rivals banned, which it seems a lot of people are, I would suggest playing casual games without Bitter Rivals in the meta to see whether it makes a difference for the better or for worse. Would it's absence cause Feline Spike to run even further across the board, or would it open up the game to sch a degree that banning it would be a good idea?

I think that without Set 12 actually IN the meta, and without people having tested to see if Bitter Rivals really is banworthy, we'll never know. So if it's something people want to happen, I think those people should test the water without it and tell us how it affected their game. I'm not particularly bothered either way, although at a push, I'd say to ban it, but only because I like an ever-shifting meta gran_risa.gif

The problem with Bitter Rivals is that whoever has it in play , makes all his attacks much more deadly, since you first LOOK at your opponent's hand, then CHANGE zones. And defensively, it's even better. Then it has the discard option, which is cream on top for me (yes, I consider the zone changing AFTER seeing hand more annoying than discard). And they don't even need to commit the card, to be used on each and every attack in both turns (yes I know it can be controlled as any other card).

With Bitter Rivals, the fun and thrill of not knowing what's in the other player's hand, and if they will be able to block your attacks or not, gets totally ruined. You just don't play anymore attacks if the thing looks bad, or go for the kill without worries of overforcing yourself. Saikyo-Ryu is another extremely powerful card but at least has a strong cost.

What about not banning it, and just give it a "commit" errata? It would also stop one of the easier ways to enable the Hanzo + Feilong Kick loop. I would also make it so that you must choose the effect (discard or zone change) before seeing the opponent's hand, so it's easier to hit'em with Big Cyclone.

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Protoaddict said:

- Cards that the community has issue with other than this one, namley rejection, defender, and feline spike, become that much more powerful and arguably more broken because you just took away one of the best tools to fight them with.

The last time I saw a Defender in someone's hands was because they had 3/4 in the deck and one was already on the table. Fat load of good that did me.

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Amano Jacu said:

Bitter Rivals needed an errata or ban since the very day it was spoiled. It has ruined so many games to me it's not even funny. It totally destroys 2 pillars of the game: privacy of hands and zones, in the most devastating order (first I see hand, the I change zones) and can be used over and over. Now it might be even more predominant.

Too true. Bitter spoiled my lunchtie game with my friend to the point where we were arguing.

¬_¬

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One great thing that's not mentioned about the clarification of keywords is exactly that : We now have an "up-to-date" resource on what is a keyword and what isn't. Not everyone can carry the entire TR / related things to casual tournaments.

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First off, I want to say that I applaud the well-spoken arguments here, especially Cetonis, Proto, Anti, Amano, Nyobari, and Viewtiful_Joe.

Zeratul-- You should note that Proto has a point, even if he didn't word it as well as he could have. He obviously finds your excessive R's disrespectful, while that is probably a matter of opinion. What is fact is that you will get more respect if you use standard English capitalization. If you want your thoughts actually read by everyone, follow the standards. If you don't, not only will many skip over your posts, but you will get more replies asking you to change how you type. Most (unfortunately) won't be as polite as Proto was.

Joe-- My meta is extremely small, but I can tell you that Spike plows us severely whether or not Bitter is around. I don't have fun when my opponent runs Feline Spike. I don't generally have fun when my opponent runs Bitter Rivals.

I actually did have fun the last time my opponent had Bitter Rivals, but that was only because I happened to have it too. My Bitter Rivals (singular) was used exclusively to counter my opponent's zone-changing. And I was running the new Dan . Not just Dan. A 70+ card Dan/Sean theme deck . Against a very well-constructed Battlebox Ryu. I managed to pull off a win with repeted high-speed Dan's Dragon Punches, and finishing with a Dan's Fireball. As nice a feeling as that was, it would have been a lot more fun with no BRs in either staging area.

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ARMed_PIrate said:

As nice a feeling as that was, it would have been a lot more fun with no BRs in either staging area.

Mostly because at this point, BR becomes an unnecessary step : You call it in hopes that your opponent will forget it. You could honestly just forget about it and go through the motions. Whomever activates their BR first loses the BR battle. The best counter to Bitter Rivals is Bitter Rivals itself.

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Are these keyword abilities in effect now or after rotation/new set?

Cause I had the chance to discard something but I was told no ultimo..no T_T

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ultimo said:

Are these keyword abilities in effect now or after rotation/new set?

Cause I had the chance to discard something but I was told no ultimo..no T_T

Once Set 12 is legal.

So at least not until April 8th.

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Antigoth said:

ultimo said:

Are these keyword abilities in effect now or after rotation/new set?

Cause I had the chance to discard something but I was told no ultimo..no T_T

Once Set 12 is legal.

So at least not until April 8th.

Ah okay whew

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ARMed_PIrate said:

Zeratul-- You should note that Proto has a point, even if he didn't word it as well as he could have. He obviously finds your excessive R's disrespectful, while that is probably a matter of opinion. What is fact is that you will get more respect if you use standard English capitalization. If you want your thoughts actually read by everyone, follow the standards. If you don't, not only will many skip over your posts, but you will get more replies asking you to change how you type. Most (unfortunately) won't be as polite as Proto was.

lol the iRony that my "looks" matteR when no one can even see my face. it Really shouldnt matteR how i type as long as it is in english. like i said befoRe, you dont have to Read what i post, even though not Reading my posts because of a fickle Reason as you dont like how i post is dumb imo and if you want to be mean to me then go ahead i guess. im a big boy. i can handle it.

with that said, you cannot have a caRd be the answeR to itself, homme chapeau. in that case, then get Rid of it and you wont need to Run the caRd to fight against it. and no one's mentioned how multiple BR's on the field. one caRd out of youR opponent's a tuRn is one thing but when you have 2 oR 3 out, youR opponent is too scaRed to attack foR feaR of losing theiR hand and it puts the useR of BR at an unfaiR position wheRe they can set up with less haRassment oR inteRaction fRom the opposing playeR.

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Zeratul90,

For what it's worth, here is an excerpt from the forum use guidelines:

We're not going to compile an exhausive list of rules because we are counting on the maturity and common sense of all our users; if at any time our presumption is not confirmed, we will take the measures each situation requires, whether the rule broken is on this list, or merely common sense.

The fact that your first two messages on the forum were written using normal conventions of english grammar, proves that you are purposely going out of your way to create something that is difficult to read. Why you are choosing to seek attention and act like a troll is beyond me. Your most recent post where you are demeaning other users is showing that you are purposely trying to agitate other users.

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I have been using Bison's past shrouded in mystery to fix alot of problems. It stops defender Lotm and BR among others. These cards as one shots are far less dangerous.

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Antigoth said:

Zeratul90,

For what it's worth, here is an excerpt from the forum use guidelines:

We're not going to compile an exhausive list of rules because we are counting on the maturity and common sense of all our users; if at any time our presumption is not confirmed, we will take the measures each situation requires, whether the rule broken is on this list, or merely common sense.

The fact that your first two messages on the forum were written using normal conventions of english grammar, proves that you are purposely going out of your way to create something that is difficult to read. Why you are choosing to seek attention and act like a troll is beyond me. Your most recent post where you are demeaning other users is showing that you are purposely trying to agitate other users.

ummm i cant even but RemembeR the last time i posted on heRe. im not gonna look back and see when i did so ill take youR woRd foR it. that also pRoves nothing. if i was on heRe consistantly posting comments oR making thReads then yes, you would be Right. the fact at hand though is that foR the most paRt this is how i type. you cant ask anyone who knows me peRsonally because they dont post on heRe foR vaRious Reasons. im not doin this to agitate anyone oR gain attention. im not eight. secondly im not trolling. like you just said i only have two otheR posts on the foRums. this is the 1st time im taking an active Roll on something being said on heRe. lastly, im not demeaning anoybody. if you think im doing, then you are mistaken. the only thing you could consideR "demeaning" is when i said that if you dont want Read what i write because you donlt like how i yped it then you aRe being childish. this whole thing shouldnt really be an issueseeing as how its only one peRson who doesnt like it.

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Zeratul90: Dog yo stop cause now your looking like a child and this is a grown ass man/woman world ya dig.

Now in to the subject of the matter

People if the people in charge of UFS decided that their making BR this powerful than that leads to this question: " what the hell's in set 12 that they need BR to be powerful like this". People me personally I,m thinking that we should be afraid very afraid.

P.S ok i,m kinda jumping down dudes throat but **** it man.

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Zeratul90 said:

this whole thing shouldnt really be an issueseeing as how its only one peRson who doesnt like it.

I'd just like to put in my two cents here that there are more than just one person who finds what you type difficult to read. I suffer myself to read your posts, but that doesn't mean that I don't find it completely annoying. Is there a reason that you type like that other than to annoy others? I'm sure that you must think so, but could you give us a clue?

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Permission to blow my lid, good sirs?

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Homme Chapeau said:

Permission to blow my lid, good sirs?

Oh god I wish I could give it.

Also Zeratul90, dont think that were just targeting you. Ask Scubadude how often he gets told to post in better English. Or in English at all. The difference is that Scuba is not doing it intentionally nor stylistically, he just rushes his posts (and **** it scuba stop that :P ). I think that your posts are fantasticly difficult to read. Punctuation has its place because it helps you understand the structure of words and sentances, its not arbitrary. Also you have a few posts where thier are some Rs that you dont capatilze, which just furthers the point that you are intentionally doing it.

Anyways Bitter rivals is fine for now. Wait for the new sets release before screaming and moaning (this is how I stay on topic). It's been around a full year + now and as much as people scream about it, it's yet to make the waves it's been promised to make. I will say more generic zone changing cards would be a welcome addition to the game, as it is an under used strategy, and would add yet another counter balance to bitter, not to say that counter card = balance but it also cant hurt.

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Bitter Rivals' ability would have been much more adequate if printed on an attack, with the reversal keyword, in theme with Karin. As far as I remember, Karin's card attacks were all kinda meh. But not in a foundation with no commit cost.

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Homme Chapeau said:

Permission to blow my lid, good sirs?

permissiOn tO blOw yOur lid, gOOd hatman. and, Oh, i happen tO like 'O' a lOt since i have One in my name. sO bOunce

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Amano Jacu said:

Bitter Rivals' ability would have been much more adequate if printed on an attack, with the reversal keyword, in theme with Karin. As far as I remember, Karin's card attacks were all kinda meh. But not in a foundation with no commit cost.

You haven't been kicked in the face enough by a 10-15 damage Mujin Kyaku.

I'll let someone else answer so as to not clutter this post with nerd rage.

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Seriously Gohadou your post is giving me headeaches just reading. All these capitals are gonna haunt me in my **** sleep. Naw but really no one has nothing else to do but complain about grammar on the internet. You guys are ******* pathetic. Someone either close this **** thread or get it back on track on "new keywords and keyword abilities".

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GouHadou said:

Homme Chapeau said:

Permission to blow my lid, good sirs?

permissiOn tO blOw yOur lid, gOOd hatman. and, Oh, i happen tO like 'O' a lOt since i have One in my name. sO bOunce

let me this straight so that there is no cofusion. im am in fact being singles out by people. this is not an intervention. its a withch trial. gouhadou be glad you're so far away. that was disrespectful and completely unnecessary. for the rest ouf you, i got nothin to say. evediently no of you have exp with online forums besides these so you dont know what you're talking about. up to this point, i was fine with people not liking how i do things but i guess since no one has anything better to do let all talk **** while hiding behind our monitors. i will to let you know that right now you have all become the trollers in this flame fest.

also im sure you all noticed no cap r's. evidently i am causing consternation on the forums.

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Look. Everyone shut the hell up about that (it's not doing anyone any good and is now escalating to thinly veiled threats) and get on topic.

SO

How 'bout those new keyword abilities?

Personally, I'm not a fan of Unique being an "ability". Otherwise...not bad. Poor Ranged =(

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Zeratul90 said:

gouhadou be glad you're so far away.

no one has anything better to do let all talk **** while hiding behind our monitors.

also im sure you all noticed no cap r's.

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Moving onto a serious topic, I'm interested to see how powerful the Terrain cards are in general. The example we've been given is an Ultra and it's static ability is tailored to destroy a specific decktype.

I wonder will all Terrains be designed to specifically aid or wreck a certain deck type?

Edit: I really like the fact that Ranged is a keyword now. And Terrain has gotten some attention too. Now all we need is Item and Stance seen to and we'll all be dancing.