Regionals Report: Cincinnati

By Skowza, in 1. AGoT General Discussion

This is my first event in this game so I didnt know it was common for everyting to start late. Is it common in this game to set up games in round 1 in a non random way? and i think what rob was saying is that we were told that the delay was for the player which then put the event to 21 not 20 thus having a bye each round. But if the late play got a first round loss then that makes sense and we didnt wait for him. Also is it common to have an event that doesnt have a system for pairings? that seems risky how do you stop the ppl running the event from setting matches or not giving byes to local players and such? I come from playing MTG and WOWTCG so i only know those systems. All and all it was very fun and the players in this game are great.

johnn0411 said:

This is my first event in this game so I didnt know it was common for everyting to start late. Is it common in this game to set up games in round 1 in a non random way? and i think what rob was saying is that we were told that the delay was for the player which then put the event to 21 not 20 thus having a bye each round. But if the late play got a first round loss then that makes sense and we didnt wait for him. Also is it common to have an event that doesnt have a system for pairings? that seems risky how do you stop the ppl running the event from setting matches or not giving byes to local players and such? I come from playing MTG and WOWTCG so i only know those systems. All and all it was very fun and the players in this game are great.

i prefer to have a non-automated system for pairings especially in the first round (or at least one that lets you change the pairings). For example at the last DC tourney we had a group of 3 from PA drive down 5 hours, and a husband and wife from that group was paired up in round 1 by the software. That's no fun for them since they play eachother all the time and drove five hours to test their skills against other people. So I swapped out the matchup. No biggy. Also all DC tournies that I run start on time, even if it means a meta mate gets a first round loss (ask Dan :P ). I am a clock Nazi.

I can't remember exactly what happened that tournament. I got there within a couple minutes of the match starting I think, so with the consent of the other player we played the match. But yes, I would have had to forfeit if I had gotten there later since it wouldn't have been fair to the other player to possibly get a timed loss or timed win for less points when it could have been a full win bye. And I'm content with this because it isn't me having to run the tournament and mess with matchings and software and other crap. :)

johnn0411 said:

Yottaquest said:

We did start later than we imagined, but that was more due to the problem of pairing without a software, and dealing with the restrictions put in place by FFG about players who travelled together and such.

Not sure what other problems happened but the players were told that the issue was with some local players being late and that they were late becasue of being drunks (I assume that was a joke)

Yea, like Todd said, the local player who came late was given a first round loss for not being there on time.

johnn0411 said:

that seems risky how do you stop the ppl running the event from setting matches or not giving byes to local players and such? I come from playing MTG and WOWTCG so i only know those systems. All and all it was very fun and the players in this game are great.

Not sure how those games work, but a modified win scores less points in AGoT than a match win, and it could also result in a player being paired down and thus having poor strength of schedule too. I'm also pretty certain that Yotta tried to avoid pairing players from the same meta, which is why the city the players came from was requested on the decklists.

Skowza said:

johnn0411 said:

that seems risky how do you stop the ppl running the event from setting matches or not giving byes to local players and such? I come from playing MTG and WOWTCG so i only know those systems. All and all it was very fun and the players in this game are great.

Not sure how those games work, but a modified win scores less points in AGoT than a match win, and it could also result in a player being paired down and thus having poor strength of schedule too. I'm also pretty certain that Yotta tried to avoid pairing players from the same meta, which is why the city the players came from was requested on the decklists.

I cant say im a fan of messing with pairing for any reason, but I also come from more competitive games. I think it will just be something I will have to deal with. It seems like this is the norm for all events.

Yottaquest said:

First off, a big thank you to all the players who attended the Yottaquest Game of Thrones Regionals. We greatly enjoyed hosting the event, and look forward to running more LCG events in the future.

We would like to bring some clarification to the event, our decisions, and the results from that. Our objectives for events at Yottaquest are to promote a fun, exciting environment, while still maintaining a professionally run atmosphere. To begin with, the tournament was initially announced on March 15 th , with the Top-4 cutoff being explained in this announcement, as well as the rest of our rules. At the beginning of the event, this process was again explained, and dissenting voices were allowed to be heard about any of the rules or procedures. No issues about the Top-4 were brought up at this time. We even discussed potential FAQ problems, and agreed with the consensus of the group. Our TO’s were announced at that time as well, both of them being Yottaquest employee’s, David and Zack. While Todd and Mike are very active players in our community, our resident rule masters, and help in other LCG events, we at Yottaquest do not allow TO’s to participate in our events. This is to prevent such issues that have been brought up in this thread.

From the reports we have received, there was not a single incident of potential cheating, and would of hoped that if someone felt wronged, they would of immediately come to Yottaquest Staff and attempted to resolve the issue. Bringing any such problems up after the fact is still extremely important to us, if done properly and through the official channels, rather than throwing accusations around anonymously on the internet. We acknowledge that there were requests for a change to Top-8, however, these were not made till after at least the completion of round one. Changing the rules after the event had already started could have given the impression to some that we were attempting an unfair bias, and would have been a breach of the Tournament Rules that we agreed to with FFG. As pointed out earlier, by doing so would have brought three of our local players into the Top-8, and perhaps we would be defending ourselves against even more accusations of favoritism.

We did start later than we imagined, but that was more due to the problem of pairing without a software, and dealing with the restrictions put in place by FFG about players who travelled together and such.

In conclusion, we hope that we addressed the concerns that have been levied against us. We will work on our communication for future events, but we can only do so much if players do not bring such issues up to us. Yes, it may seem at times that we have a “stern” setting, but after running events for almost nine years, there are certain issues of integrity that we stand steadfast by. We will be listening on in this thread if there are any further questions or concerns, and would be glad to discuss anything. Again, thank you to everyone who participated, we hope to see all of you again at our future events, and most importantly HAVE FUN!

This thread just got epic, lol.

Is this the first time a store has actually posted anything? Props to them anyway for a good level of awareness.

I'm just going to say I get a strange feeling that Lalchant's account was hacked. That's pretty much what you would see from a troll that stole someone's account, but it could also be legit. Who knows… We'll find out soon I'm sure.

Also, holy cow an admin edit?!?!?! Lmao. I have a feeling it was just the report button, but if there's a legit admin monitoring this forum, that's awesome.

johnn0411 said:

Skowza said:

johnn0411 said:

that seems risky how do you stop the ppl running the event from setting matches or not giving byes to local players and such? I come from playing MTG and WOWTCG so i only know those systems. All and all it was very fun and the players in this game are great.

Not sure how those games work, but a modified win scores less points in AGoT than a match win, and it could also result in a player being paired down and thus having poor strength of schedule too. I'm also pretty certain that Yotta tried to avoid pairing players from the same meta, which is why the city the players came from was requested on the decklists.

I cant say im a fan of messing with pairing for any reason, but I also come from more competitive games. I think it will just be something I will have to deal with. It seems like this is the norm for all events.

It's actually in the official tournament rules, "The TO

should avoid pairing family members or players who
travelled together to get to the tournament, if at all

possible, for the first round."

So they were just doing as suggested.