So when a card reads "discard top card of opponents deck, if that card is a character do x" that is pretty simple to understand. Now pair that with motley crewmen. Which says " any effect that discards 1 or more cards from an opponents deck discards an additional card". So that means discard 2 cards. But the the second part only count if the first card discarded is a character then you get to do x? Or does it mean that if either card discarded is a character then do x? I assume only the first card discarded counts for the then part.

Next question. If you have 3x motley crewman out do those passives stack? So a discard of 1 becomes a 4 with the 3 motley crewmen? I assume yes since they are not unique characters and they would all be seperate entities on the board.

Thanks in advance for your reply.

Another question. Corpse lake says "when a triggered effect discards a card from an opponents deck"

So frostfang a peak says when you reveal a new plot card discard the top card of an opponents deck. That is a triggered effect? Yes? But the motley a ability is a passive? Yes? So if I had 3 mc out, revealed a plot my opponent would discard 4 cards (if they stack) but the only way for me to trigger corpse lake would be if the first card discarded was a character? Or if any of the 4 were a character I wouldactivate corpse lake?

Motley Crewman is not a passive effect. It's a constant effect that changes the number of "discard X cards from top of deck" effects. It simply adds 1 card for each Motley Crewman to the number you discard with any effect. It doesn't have to be triggered or passive.

That being said, the added cards discarded through Motley Crewman will count for effects that trigger off of discarding from the top of your deck.

Example:

Seaside Urchin:

Response: After you win an challenge in which Seaside Urchin participated,discard the top card of the losing opponent's deck. If that card is an attachment or an event card,Seaside Urchin claims 1 power.

3x Motley Crewman changes this to:

Response: After you win an challenge in which Seaside Urchin participated,discard the top 4 cards of the losing opponent's deck. If that card is an attachment or an event card,Seaside Urchin claims 1 power.

If any of these cards is an event card, Seaside Urchin will claim 1 power. It will not matter which one.

If that isn't very clear, someone better at explaining the way they work would be a better reference.

Sweet. That's perfect. Thank you

Ok. So add training vessel and corpse lake to seaside urchin and 3x motley crewmen.

Discard 4 for winning int challenge. Su + mc

Discard 4 for training vessel. Tv + mc

1st 4 card discard = char, event, char, attachment.

2nd 4 card discard = char, char, location, event

i would claim 2 power from CL since tv and su are seperate effects? Yes?

i would claim how many power for su? 1? 2? Or 3?

You would indeed claim power for Corpse Lake twice (once for Training Vessel and once for Seaside Urchin).

Seaside Urchin would claim one power, because it doesn't count how many attachments and events are discarded by its ability, it just checks the fact that one has been discarded (and it doesn't count cards discarded by other effects).

Khudzlin said:

I think this is debatable, but probably right. Also, with regards to "(and it doesn't count cards discarded by other effects)", the extra 3 cards actually ARE discarded by Seaside Urchin. Motley Crewman directly modifies Seaside Urchins effect, but it is not the effect doing the actual discarding.

There is a valid argument that Seaside Urchin would be unable to score any points with a Motley Crewman in play. There is no "that card". You discarded multiple cards and because of that, it is unable to determine if "that card" satisfies the condition.

By other effects, I was referring to Training Vessel. Cards discarded for Training Vessel's effect do not count for Seaside Urchin.

Khudzlin said:

Does typing Ktom in your posts summon him?

Gotcha. Still curious what he says about the other part where because Seaside Urchin discards more than one card you can't determine what "that card" refers to. Precedent in Netrunner is that because "that card" is undefined, his ability can't trigger. Is it the same in AGoT?

Bigjim22 said:

I would argue that you would claim no power from Seaside Urchin because it states "…discard the top card of the losing opponent's deck. If that card is an attachment or an event card…" The top card was a character which doesn't satisfy the condition to claim power. The remaining cards discarded due to Motley Crewman are not assessed by Seaside Urchin .

It doesn't work like that because cards are considered to be discarded individually. "Discard the top 3 cards of your deck" creates 3 separate "after a card is discarded from your deck" response opportunities. Therefore, each card becomes the top card of your deck, so Seaside Urchin will have the opportunity to "assess" each card separately.

Netrunner and AGoT discard mechanics are fairly different, so I don't think you can "port" the precedent - especially given the above "each is discarded individually" ruling.

Because each card is considered to be discarded individually, the singular pronoun "that" in the Urchin's ability really doesn't "invalidate" the opportunity to gain power when the Motley Crewman turns the discard portion of the Urchin's ability "plural." Urchin + Motley Crewman (x3) = "that card" 4 separate, individual times.

Further, because the cards are discarded individually, and the Urchin looks at each card he discards individually, the argument is stronger that you would get 1 power for each attachment and/or event discarded by his Motley-Crewman-enhanced ability.

However, as Khudzlin said, Urchin can only award power for events/attachments discarded with his own ability, not for those discarded by other abilities - even if in Response to winning the same challenge.

I understand the bit about discarding cards individually but I'm confused by Motley Crewman's ability. I interepreted it to mean that as an added bonus to discarding a card from an opponent's deck (and any other effects that may happen) you get to discard an extra card, and that's it.

ktom said:

If the 4 cards discarded by Seaside Urchin's ability were all events or attachments would you then claim 4 power?