All the ships that I really care about (z-95, R-41, TIE Defender, Assault Gunboat) "happened" concorrently with the original trillogy. I don't see any reason why the future movies would mute those ships from ever happening. It's not like the Prequels changed anything fighter-related about the Original Trillogy either, except perhaps where the X-Wing came from?
Extended Universe might not be the right place to look for new ships…
Gullwind said:
I haven't read all of the books, so I could very well be wrong about this but aren't some of the pilots that have been used in the game from the EU?
You are correct. They drew from several sources. Considering how LucasFilms controlled the lisence for pretty much anything written in the Star Wars universe, it's a pretty open source. I recall, for instance, that one of the Firespray-31 pilots was from an electronic card game that was itself a part of the now-defunct Star Wars Galaxies MMO game.
I suspect we'll see the B-Wing and the TIE Bomber come out together soon, if they keep following the established pattern. I'd prefer to see ships from the movies, including both trilogies ( I would LOVE to see an ARC-170).
I'd also love to see them release ships from other EU sources, such as many of the interesting designs from Star Wars Galaxies (especially the M22-T Krayt Gunship and the VT-49 Decimator. They're just begging to be built), or other EU sources.
There's so many opportunities, I really hope the FFG can keep the game workable if they start to add so many different ships. I've seen other miniatures games get ruined by new expansions making the older models obsolete.
Coincidentally, io9 has just written on the very topic of my OP, and many of my subsequent posts.
I know people love their EU stuff… and I actually know many people who think Episodes XII, XIII and IX are going to be some sort of EU-fest, but have a read of what this guy is saying, which is along the same lines of what I was saying, earlier. The new movies have the potential to blow away the EU altogether.
(And I repeat the story of how the Clone Wars children's TV series already blew away what the Mandalorians had been established as, in the Clone Wars era, in comics going back to the 1980s, and the more recent Republic Commando novels…)
Is Disney about to destroy the Star Wars Expanded Universe Altogether?
Is there even a conjectural, or official release date target for Wave 3?
On the issue mitigating against it seems to be the issue of them having sufficient Wave 2 minis to sell, so I suspect they may hold off until they can better meet demand for those.
At least I hope they do, since the Tie Interceptor and A-Wing are definitely needed by those that want to field them.
On the other hand, there are parts of the EU they can't and won't trample on. See, for example, the X-Wing and TIE Fighter PC games, or even Rebel Assault. There's a truckload of ships in there that weren't in the films (the afore-mentioned Z-95 or TIE Defender among them) and since those timelines are not affected by the forthcoming trilogy, I can't see why there shouldn't be a Z-95, Imperial Assault Gunboat, TIE Phantom or - something I'd like very much to see - a TIE Avenger (ooh, that design!).
I'd like that.
Morrissey said:
Rogue_Four said:
Morrissey said:
Unfortunately, however, I don't get the sense the Disney scripts will be based on what happened in any of the books. It's based on an idea from Lucas, insofar as where he saw the universe going, post-RotJ. And I don't think Lucas has sat there, reading all the recent EU novels and thinking, "Yeah, that's where my universe should go…" So, I wouldn't expect to see Caedus or Fate of the Jedi stuff at all.
I wouldn't be so quick to write off Disney as this big perpetrator of evil deeds. Did you enjoy the Pirates of the Carribean movies or The Avengers? True, it will never be exactly as the books are, but I highly doubt the staff they pick to write the movie will turn to the EU and say "Yeah, this is good and all, but let's completely disregard it and the fans and do whatever we want."
I didn't write off Disney as a, "big perpetrator of evil deeds" at all.
I pointed out that Lucas, who has given the three movie plotline to Disney, is highly unlikely to have read the EU novels we're talking about and, on top of that, even if he had read them, is even more unlikely to say, "Yeah, just do that stuff… that's cool stuff… hey, my work is done!"
If you're thinking these three Disney movies are going to be tied into the EU novels in a major way, I think you're going to be highly disappointed. Lucas is absolutely going to take his own path in regard to what's going to happen, and he won't be guided by the EU novels.
I realise you might not want to believe this, because it's not what you want, but I see it as inevitable, mate.
Don't be so sure.
I'm not saying he still does, but I certainly know (atleast up untill 99 and the release of Ep 1) he used to. Lucas personally read and pre-approved ALL star Wars novels, beginning with Heir to the Empire right through and including the X-Wing series.
He was also known to meddle (who would have thought, lol) and would veto certain plot lines, suggest changes, etc. His involvement is one of the key reasons why all the books were consistant across each other.
I don't know whether he read each draft novel in it's entirety, or just the plot summaries / notes, but he certainly was involved in the process.
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godofcheese said:
Morrissey said:
Rogue_Four said:
Morrissey said:
Unfortunately, however, I don't get the sense the Disney scripts will be based on what happened in any of the books. It's based on an idea from Lucas, insofar as where he saw the universe going, post-RotJ. And I don't think Lucas has sat there, reading all the recent EU novels and thinking, "Yeah, that's where my universe should go…" So, I wouldn't expect to see Caedus or Fate of the Jedi stuff at all.
I wouldn't be so quick to write off Disney as this big perpetrator of evil deeds. Did you enjoy the Pirates of the Carribean movies or The Avengers? True, it will never be exactly as the books are, but I highly doubt the staff they pick to write the movie will turn to the EU and say "Yeah, this is good and all, but let's completely disregard it and the fans and do whatever we want."
I didn't write off Disney as a, "big perpetrator of evil deeds" at all.
I pointed out that Lucas, who has given the three movie plotline to Disney, is highly unlikely to have read the EU novels we're talking about and, on top of that, even if he had read them, is even more unlikely to say, "Yeah, just do that stuff… that's cool stuff… hey, my work is done!"
If you're thinking these three Disney movies are going to be tied into the EU novels in a major way, I think you're going to be highly disappointed. Lucas is absolutely going to take his own path in regard to what's going to happen, and he won't be guided by the EU novels.
I realise you might not want to believe this, because it's not what you want, but I see it as inevitable, mate.
Don't be so sure.
I'm not saying he still does, but I certainly know (atleast up untill 99 and the release of Ep 1) he used to. Lucas personally read and pre-approved ALL star Wars novels, beginning with Heir to the Empire right through and including the X-Wing series.
He was also known to meddle (who would have thought, lol) and would veto certain plot lines, suggest changes, etc. His involvement is one of the key reasons why all the books were consistant across each other.
I don't know whether he read each draft novel in it's entirety, or just the plot summaries / notes, but he certainly was involved in the process.
You know, I feel like I'm telling someone Santa doesn't exist, so this doesn't make me proud, but what you're saying there is not the case at all. That sounds VERY MUCH like some sort of story passed down among fans, that's not based in reality. Witness, direct from Lucas:
In an August 2005 interview in Starlog magazine:
STARLOG: "The Star Wars Universe is so large and diverse. Do you ever find yourself confused by the subsidiary material that's in the novels, comics, and other offshoots?"
LUCAS: "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."
Morrissey said:
LUCAS: "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."
Heh. Interesting. At least he seems to be generous concerning what other people do with his material.
I guess, in the end, we can't tell. Let's just wait for what the future holds, with regard to both the coming miniature waves and the new trilogy. After all, life would be boring without a bit of suspense and surprise, right?
The name of the game is "star wars x-wing", not "star wars universe" or "star wars dogfighting", they could be done with the game right now. I hope they are not, but my point is that there has not even been " official" rumors of a wave 3, much less which ships would be in it, or the future direction of the game. It is ALL speculation and wishful thinking.
Jolleyone said:
The name of the game is "star wars x-wing", not "star wars universe" or "star wars dogfighting", they could be done with the game right now. I hope they are not, but my point is that there has not even been " official" rumors of a wave 3, much less which ships would be in it, or the future direction of the game. It is ALL speculation and wishful thinking.
Yes, but it's pretty fair speculation, when stuff like the B-Wing and TIE Bomber, which have great screen time in the original trilogy, aren't in the game yet. Put aside EU thoughts, something like the B-Wing is no less valid than, say, the A-Wing, which is already in the game. They will make it, and stuff like it. They would be foolish not to, especially with how crazy the global market has gone on wave two.
Sergovan said:
The film's story will be completely original and not based on any prior source from the Expanded Universe. The film instead combines the "Abramsverse" of the Star Trek series of 2009 onward with the Star Wars continuity. Future installments in the Star Trek series will branch off the same continuity, and will not follow a preset schedule or episodic title system.
Quoted from wookiepedia.
I haven't read any of the EU books, but if a ship came out with pilots and abilities, I may go out and pick up the book to find out the back story.
What do you mean? They will merge Star Trek and Star Wars? Or will they just create an "alternate Universe" like the one in the new Star Trek Movies?
By the way, every Ship was in the movies, but regarding the Pilots…
Pilots known from the movies: Wedge, Luke, Biggs, Garven?, Dutch?, Han, Chewie, Lando, Vader, Boba.
Pilots that were apparently in the movies but that were not named by then or distinguished from any other nameless Pilot: all the Tie/Ln pilots in the game like Howlrunner, Mithel etc. We could probably also put Garven and Dutch here, and possibly Tycho.
Pilots from the EU: Tycho, Arvel, Soontir Fel, Turr Phennir, Fel's Wrath, Kath, Krassis, Horton Salm
Some of these pilots apparently took partnin any majorbor minor battle of the Movies, but you can't see them or they were not named. So i would rather say they belong to the Expanded Universe.
If i was Disney, i would make the films take place in the EU and write the stories about a part that is not detailed too much yet. There are so many possibilities at which time they can make the films happen. I don't hope they will make all of the EU obsolete, that would also be not very clever regarding all the novel fans, and those novels have really been around for decades and they bear official StarWarsTm logos too. I don't think Disney is that dumb really…
ForceM said:
I don't hope they will make all of the EU obsolete, that would also be not very clever regarding all the novel fans, and those novels have really been around for decades and they bear official StarWarsTm logos too. I don't think Disney is that dumb really…
I think they will absolutely make chunks of the EU redundant with the new movies.
As I keep repeating in this thread… think this is the 3rd or 4th time I've mentioned it… they already destroyed the Republic Commando novels with what they did in the kiddies TV series, The Clone Wars.
So they have ABSOLUTELY no qualms about destroying stuff in EU novels, or even whole series of novels, for what they want to put on the big screen (and small screen).
And that was when things were still run by Lucas!!! Imagine how much worse it will get now.
I can only speak for myself, but the expanded universe is the ONLY place I would even consider buying ships from other than the original trilogy.
There's not a single prequel ship that I really like at all and the new movies are too far away for FFG to just sit on their hands and wait for, assuming they don't continue the prequels' trend of missing the original star wars ship design aesthetic by light years
Jolleyone said:
there has not even been " official" rumors of a wave 3, much less which ships would be in it, or the future direction of the game. It is ALL speculation and wishful thinking.
One of the FFG guys (Torres?) has gone on record as saying that we'll "see all the ships we know from the original films" (I'm paraphrasing there). Now of course that doesn't mean capital ships, but I'd definitely infer that the TIE bomber and the B-wing are a done deal.
If FFG don't go the way of the 'Extended Universe', then there will be no subsequent wave after wave 3. Thats it.
Even wave 3 may include ships we havn't seen in the movies. What do we have left whis is both usable in the game and seen in the movies?
Let me guess, its mentioned a hundred times by now:
the Tie-Bomber (i hope the bomber will get a unique ability like endless torpedoes - due to its enormous ammo container, maybe restricted to range 4 or the auto loader takes a round after fireing, so that the Tie-Bomber actually may fire a torpedo (or rocket) every second turn)
the B-Wing (which will be just a better Y-Wing at a higher price, so nothing very interesting)
the Lambda Class transport (yet another mid-sized ship … its an cool looking armed transport, again)
thats it
You know. i just thought of something. The YT-2400 is in the updated A New Hope. So it is a ship that is in the movies.
Daeglan said:
You know. i just thought of something. The YT-2400 is in the updated A New Hope. So it is a ship that is in the movies.
Ok … despide i know the movies and I never took notice of the YT-2400, I let it count for a possible ship of wave 3 … then we got the 4 ships together
But yet again … it is a transport, like …. yeah … the other transports. Maybe its even more interesting then the lambda class transport, rule-wise.
I personally wouldn't be at all surprised to see Clone Wars ships eventually. I'm not even convinced it would be a bad thing. The Republic was around for 25,000 years. How much technological improvement would there really have been in the twenty years between Episodes III and IV? I see no reason why an ARC-170 couldn't hold its own against a B-Wing. Just because we didn't see them in the original movies doesn't mean they weren't out there somewhere. Why not?
This is going to sound petulant but… I want my TIE Defenders, Assault Gunboats, Z-95s, and R-41s. I don't want to wait through a dozen mediocre fighters that don't impress me to get them.
That's why I don't want the Prequels first.
As far as I know there WON'T be ANY Clone Wars ships in X-Wing, because of license reasons.
And I don't think FFG want to destroy this unique game with crappy Clone Wars vehicles, whose names nobody know of.
Would you buy the game if it was called 'Naboo Fighter' or something like that? … in fact the naboo fighter is the only one i may recall from the Episode I - III movies … exept for Slave I of course.
I'd buy those ships. Especially the N1. Just sayin'.
GeneralBergfrühling said:
Would you buy the game if it was called 'Naboo Fighter' or something like that? …
*Chuckle* NO… no, I would not! 
So maybe FFG is allowed to add some own 'bigger sized' ships to extend the 'Extended Universe' a bit more … i'd love to see a Star Destroyerish ship on the table for the imperials … and one with the design of the Corellian Corvette for the rebels. Both equipped with turbo laser turrets, vast shields and new equipment cards; waiting to face enemy Torpedo runs …
There is a series of mid-sized ships suitable for X-Wing. I think they were all introduced with Star Wars Galaxies: Jump to Light Speed as playable multi-crew ships:
Imperial YE-4 Assault Gunship
VT-49 Decimator
Black Sun AEG-77 Vigo Gunship
Rebel Incom X-4 Gunship
YKL-37r Nova Courier