Are effects on cards in out of play zones type-less or are they the same type as their card. That is, if I have a Theon Greyjoy (WLL) in my dead pile and I trigger his Response, is it a Character Ability that could be canceled with The Iron Throne (LotR)?

The rules knowledgeable people in my playgroup are swearing up and down that they are type-less effects and that it is or was in the rules/faq at some point but I can't find it for the life of me (other than the thing about cards in Shadows not having characteristics).

Thanks!

AerysII said:

That said, you cannot cancel Theon with The Iron Throne. But that's not because he is "type-less" and therefore not a character ability, but rather because since it is triggered from out of play, it is not a character ability .

The entry in the FAQ you're looking for is this:

(3.6) Triggered Effects

Any effect that a player chooses to execute is considered a "triggered effect." Thus any effect that begins with a " Phase: " or " Response: " is a triggered effect. Also note that playing an event card is thus considered a triggered effect. A "triggered ability" is a triggered effect printed on a card already in play.

So you see? When you trigger Theon's Response while he is in the dead pile, you are triggering a character effect , not a character ability. The Iron Thron cancels character abilities , so Theon's Response does not meet the definition.

AerysII said:

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The rules knowledgeable people in my playgroup are swearing up and down that they are type-less effects and that it is or was in the rules/faq at some point but I can't find it for the life of me (other than the thing about cards in Shadows not having characteristics).

Thanks!"

They are type-less in that they are simply considered "card effects". They are not character abilities, location abilities, or any other type of ability if they are initiated from out-of-play.

Edit: Forgot to answer the question!

You wouldn't be able to cancel Theon's ability that was initiated from the dead pile with The Iron Throne.

Also, why does editting a post mess up the quotes… so annoying…

mdc273 said:

Cards are still considered to have their printed type when they are not in play. That carries ove to their effects, too. The "in-play" vs. "out-of-play" difference is between "ability" and "effect," not "character" and "card."

Ah, I didn't realize there was a difference between abilites and effects. Thanks!

AerysII said:

You'll learn something new here quite often. I ask a lot of stupid questions, but they allow me to better explain things to people who ask, haha. I feel bad for Ktom, he needs a backup or something.