Have any one seen this:
It just came up in the boardgamegeek, its the new reprint of X-Wings its MUCH better then the ones i have.
Original post on boardgame geek
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/945271/new-improved-x-wing
New retooled Improved X-Wing
Just found the edit button.
Wow, looking at the difference am glad I only discovered this game in time to see the Wave 2 core set. From what I've seen the TIEs also have darker shading on them now.
I was just putting more details up on my blog after fielding a number of queries on BGG and TMP. The TIE model itself hasn't been changed. I don't have any un-retouched orginals to compare the shading to, but I've found the shading varies a bit from batch to batch anyway.
http://goblinhall.com/2013/03/12/x-wing-retooled/
Also more info from BGG: the molds are still the same -- just a much better paint job that doesn't hide it under a thick coat!
RedWilde said:
Also more info from BGG: the molds are still the same -- just a much better paint job that doesn't hide it under a thick coat!
That's good to know, seriously. There must be a safe way to disassemble it all, remove the paint and fix them. Gonna wait on someone to post a lengthy guide with loads of pictures before attempting.
A-WIng stripping guide has been done:
RedWilde said:
A-WIng stripping guide has been done:
Thank you for the link!
stripping the paint isnt a problem, the glue is.
for the paint go with break fluid just like warhammer minis.
gabriel69 said:
stripping the paint isnt a problem, the glue is.
for the paint go with break fluid just like warhammer minis.
No!!! Use simple green. Takes longer but is much safer for the plastic. Brake fluid is corrosive and will melt the miniatures if you leave them in for too long.
nimdabew said:
gabriel69 said:
stripping the paint isnt a problem, the glue is.
for the paint go with break fluid just like warhammer minis.
No!!! Use simple green. Takes longer but is much safer for the plastic. Brake fluid is corrosive and will melt the miniatures if you leave them in for too long.
Have you used it?
a LOT of people including me use it, and not even a single scratch on de plastic has happend.
at first i used simple green, and i can say it it worst for the plastic the break fluid cause you have to leave it there for more time. and simple green do not remove all the paint.
go for break fluid dont be afraid just because some online foruns say its bad.
Wow, this would explain a lot about the delay of Wave 2.
What do we know?
- The Core Set enjoyed unforseeable success in the broad market, with mainstream retailers like Target and Barnes & Noble buying up as much stock as was available.
- An email reproduced on one of the innumerable "ZOMG Wave 2" threads had it that there was a delay at the factory related to quality control and things being up to spec to the expectations of the fans and business partners.
So it would seem to me that they received *a lot* of notes regarding the first printing of the X-wings. That's not a retool, that's a new mold. I'd venture to say that the assembly process has also been reworked, as those wings and guns look square and tight. This level of "back to the drawing board" alone would constitute a significant delay. I know a couple of my TIE fighters are a little bit "off" as well.
Speculation--Has anyone compared a Kessel Run Falcon or Slave 1 to one shipped with Wave 2? I would think that any imprecision in assembly would be much more evident in the larger ships that would get more attention.
So, yeah, I think they crashed their schedule in order to not keep putting out models with substandard assembly.
I suspect it's actually the same mold with exponentially better QA.
Grimwalker said:
Wow, this would explain a lot about the delay of Wave 2.
What do we know?
- The Core Set enjoyed unforseeable success in the broad market, with mainstream retailers like Target and Barnes & Noble buying up as much stock as was available.
- An email reproduced on one of the innumerable "ZOMG Wave 2" threads had it that there was a delay at the factory related to quality control and things being up to spec to the expectations of the fans and business partners.
So it would seem to me that they received *a lot* of notes regarding the first printing of the X-wings. That's not a retool, that's a new mold. I'd venture to say that the assembly process has also been reworked, as those wings and guns look square and tight. This level of "back to the drawing board" alone would constitute a significant delay. I know a couple of my TIE fighters are a little bit "off" as well.
Speculation--Has anyone compared a Kessel Run Falcon or Slave 1 to one shipped with Wave 2? I would think that any imprecision in assembly would be much more evident in the larger ships that would get more attention.
So, yeah, I think they crashed their schedule in order to not keep putting out models with substandard assembly.
It's NOT a new mold. It's a significantly better paint job. The original has thicker paint obscuring the details. My original core sets X-Wings are all similar, but not quite as bad. It's assembled better, it's painted better. It's just better. It's the same mold. Redesigning the injection mold would have delayed things a lot more than 3 months.
I have compared my Kessel Run Wave 2 to General Release stuff. There is not as significant of a difference. The paint jobs are better on the general W2 stuff, less of a heavy handed wash, cleaner overall. You can easily pick out which A-Wing was from KR and which two are W2. Slave-1 and the Falcon from KR have much heavier washes. You can see some color details on Slave-1 from W2 that are obscured on the KR one. The TIE:Ints are the exception, hard to tell which is which. There is some variation anyways, so it's all minor. The two from KR are impossible to differentiate from the three from W2.
Bought a core set from my local comic store last week. X-Wing looks great. The same week I bought a core set and one of each Wave 1 ship expansion from an online seller. That stuff came today and both of my X-Wings look terrible compared to the first one I got. I can't imagine how the same mold could get the guns in so tight in the wave 2 vs the wave 1 core sets. Disappointing. The TIE fighters and advanced also have poor overall washes compared to my wave 2 core set. I was shocked at how big the difference was.
defiately new moulds as the cockpit is wider and the detail on the wings and engines a lot better, probs why cant get hold of wave 1 stuff at mo, hope they re tool y wing because mine is naff.
My problem with the X-wings is how they are glude to gether porly there simitry is all off both with the rockets and weapons. Any ideas on how to unglue them without stripping the paint.
My problem with the X-wings is how they are glude to gether porly there simitry is all off both with the rockets and weapons. Any ideas on how to unglue them without stripping the paint.
rowdyoctopus said:
Bought a core set from my local comic store last week. X-Wing looks great. The same week I bought a core set and one of each Wave 1 ship expansion from an online seller. That stuff came today and both of my X-Wings look terrible compared to the first one I got. I can't imagine how the same mold could get the guns in so tight in the wave 2 vs the wave 1 core sets. Disappointing. The TIE fighters and advanced also have poor overall washes compared to my wave 2 core set. I was shocked at how big the difference was.
I only read about this 'retooling' after I got my core set, and now I'm very glad I tracked down somewhere local to go in and buy it rather than getting it online. Looking at the paint job in the first post in this thread, I would have been quite disappointed at the quality, whereas I'm very happy with the detail on my X-Wing and TIE Fighters. Was going to get a TIE Advanced and a Y-Wing online, but after reading this I think I'll wait for new stock to be available locally, might just pick up an A-Wing and TIE Interceptor for now.
mrgoodtrips said:
defiately new moulds as the cockpit is wider and the detail on the wings and engines a lot better, probs why cant get hold of wave 1 stuff at mo, hope they re tool y wing because mine is naff.
Nope, not retooled after all. Just much much better painting. I have the two physically in my hand. The new one has crisper cockpit and engine painting. What you are seing is a very effective camoflage painting in the early one which obscures it's actual shape and size!
It's good to know FFG cares enough to improve their product. I have a couple X-Wings that are suspect.
If any ship needs to be retooled it's the Y-Wing. There is no modelled turret on it and the engines could use some work. I doubt they'd do it but you never know. One can hope.
If that's only a repaint then they must have painted it with putty because *****.* There are details completely missing from mine, like the angled panel lines on the wings, engine details, and some shape differences on the fuselage. I'm still betting on the longshot that it's at least a partial remold until i see pics of a stripped first generation model.
It was thick putty paint alright. Go poking with the tip of a sharp XActo and you'll find all the lines.
Without doing a full strip, I might take one of mine soon and just use the knife to expose the detail on the top surfaces and then do some touch up painting.
Grimwalker said:
If that's only a repaint then they must have painted it with putty because *****.* There are details completely missing from mine, like the angled panel lines on the wings, engine details, and some shape differences on the fuselage. I'm still betting on the longshot that it's at least a partial remold until i see pics of a stripped first generation model.
I'm not sure it's putty, maybe spackle, or paste, perhaps plaster…
Went down to the only store in town that stocks these today to pick up a TIE Interceptor and an A-Wing and noticed they had X-Wing expansion back in stock. Took a look at them and the paint jobs were just terrible compared to the core sets they had (wave 2 release), so I don't know if the expansions are a new batch with the same dodgy paint job, or these were left over at the distributer from wave 1. Apart from the guns looking to be aligned correctly, the paint on all of the X-Wing expansions they had would have been on par with the left X-Wing in the first post of this thread.