Hi,

Quick question about Battle for theShield Islands:

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Epic Battle Plot: After the dominance phase this round there is an epic phase during which each player may initiate a single challenge of his choice. Characters with 1 or more enhancements may be declared as attacker or defenders while kneeling. Instead of normal claim, the winner of each challenge may choose and take control of a location controlled by the loosing opponent. (Place this card next to your plot deck untile the end of this epic phase.)

Does this refer to any declaration or just the ones of the framework? And by that I mean, can knelt characters with a naval enhancement be declared using naval enhancement or only during the normal declaration of attackers/ defenders?

It only refers to the regular framework. If it affected jumping them in, it would have to say "may be declared as (naval) attackers/defenders, even while kneeling"

Instead of normal claim, the winner of each challenge may choose and take control of a location controlled by the loosing opponent.

What is the choice here (ignoring the obvious typo)?

1. Take control of a location or do nothing
2. Take control of a location or apply normal claim (assuming the attacker wins)

Khudzlin said:

That's definitely a good question, and probably a RAW vs. RAI distinction. Based off the wording, I would think there is the small possibility it is 2, but, based on cards printed in the past, I would more likely lean towards 1. I'm honestly not sure.

It is "Choice #1." By stating the "instead of normal claim" first in describing the effect, the effect is changing the way that claim resolves whether you want it to or not - although making "no location" a viable choice in resolving that claim.

In AGoT templating, Choice #2 would be: "The winner of each challenge may choose and take control of a location controlled by the losing opponent instead of normal claim."

BTW: Anyone else notice how this can nerf HoD?

Thanks for the answer, Ktom. As for HoD, yes we noticed that

1. the HoD location is not immune to claim, so it can be taken with this epic battle
2. it will keep its immunity to opponents' non-plot card effects, but from the point of view of its new controller

Not a rules comment here:

LOOSING? Seriously?? That's probably my biggest spelling-related pet-peeve.

Ugh.

If I were a game designer AND an held an English degree, I'd be absolutely mortified.

ktom said:

I couldn't help myself…

C'mon, man!

Considering how many people can't understand Cat's vulnerability when Pyat Pree attacks alone, it's a fair question.

To be honest, the question did come up on the French forum (the "we" in my post is not meant to include all AGoT players, mostly the French ones - since they are the ones I talk with the most). However, given Pyat Pree's precedent, those of us considered more knowledgeable in the rules(this would include Bolzano) promptly came to this conclusion and pointed it out.

@Radiskull: be thankful you haven't seen the French version of Storm Dancer (the text is not even grammatically correct and it makes less sense than google translate).

if I win the challenge as def during this epic phase,nothing will happened,am I right?

Correct. Taking control of the location happens "instead of normal claim." That means "claim" has to initiate in order for the replacement to take place (and the location to change hands). If the defender wins the challenge, "claim," normal or otherwise, does not initiate successfully. So, if the defender wins the challenge in this Epic phase, there is no claim to resolve, so no locations to steal.

Is the HoD location, stealed via this epic battle, still immune to non plot card effects?

thorin_81 said:

There's no reason to think not. It hasn't left play. Just switched sides through claim.

Note that the HoD location is immune to opponents' non-plot card effects. And the opponent is from the location's point of view (the immunity is text it gains), so the opponent changes.