Does anyone know if the first expansion will be legal for Regionals in April? We know its supposed to be out in March, but how long does FF wait to allow something to become tourny legal?

I would assume that once it hits the streets it will be legal.

The only way to know is when the official tournament rules are released.

What are the rules for their other card games?

@TGO-not sure, I also plan on playing in the Netrunner event, but there is nothing on those forums either. They already have a few expansions out.

There will be tournament rules updates before regionals if previous years are any example.

Toqtamish said:

What has been the past practice? Are sets generally legal for events the day the set is released or do they have a waiting period so in case some areas have not recieved the new prodcut yet?

Usually, I believe, there is a waiting period to give players a chance to acquire and familiarize themselves with new cards.

then if Vaapad is correct, then it looks like Regionals will be core set only

Rogue 4 said:

Rogue 4 said:

This would be a false assumption to make. FFG has been pretty consistent in regards to allowing a waiting period for competetive events. Last years regional season for AGOT had at least one release that was not useable despite being out.

Well, that depends on how long the window is. The first regional is Apr 5. Based on when he first chapter pack went on the boat, it could be on sale by mid march. That seems like enough time for it to be legal.

I also don't know if legality will be done on a rolling basis (ie core only for April regionals, core +1 for may, etc)

For the other LCGs, the usual wait-time for a pack to be tourney legal is 4 weeks. If Regionals come up sooner than that, then the pack will likely not be legal for Regionals.

I also don't know if legality will be done on a rolling basis (ie core only for April regionals, core +1 for may, etc)

It does not work like that for the other LCGs, which tells me that it will likely not work like that for SW.

So then will all regional events use the same cards regardless of release and tournament date?

That's the way it works for the other LCGs. Regionals is a series of tournaments, changing the rules mid-series is bad form.

Having said that, the final decisision is up to FFG, and they will do whatever they want.

sWhiteboy said:

You could argue that the entire tournament season is a series of tournaments, including regionals and worlds. I'd hate still be using just the core set come worlds. But even if it's just for regionals, I'd hate to have to keep remaking decks for regular tournaments vs regional tournaments.

ScottieATF said:

I was going off what other CCG formats have been, not FFGs LCGs. Normally when cards are released the makers of the cards believe that they have been play tested enough that they are sound.

Rogue 4 said:

Where are you getting that it has anything to do with faith in thier playtesting? Or that what other CCGs do would apply, instead of what FFG has done with it's other LCGs?

Dude, I am not getting into this with you.

You can't understand so fine, leave it at that. I have been around many games that once their product comes out is legal for any type tournament, period. I am unfamiliar with what FFG has or does with their LCG. If you have been around playtesters and see what they intially have to work with you would know that the cards change a lot from their original concept, so by the time they are produced they should have seen any bad strategies or combos is what I meant about their playtesting.

So I mentioned that I could see it either way, make it legal now or wait. Doesn't matter to me, I just replied to the thread.

Rogue 4 said:

I understand you aren't familar with FFG which is why you made the assumption, which is why I corrected that assumption. But what does not make sense if where you are infering from that it is some sort of thought about imbalance that is behind a policy you weren't aware of. The cards will eventually be legal.

Rogue 4 said:

Playtesting of cards has nothing to do with when they are legal for sanctioned tournament play so I don't know you even bring that up.

If you are not familiar with FFG and the other LCGs making an assumption based on othernon FFG card games can create unnecessary confusion for those who want valid information.

No one seems to have mentioned it, so…

The reason that FFG doesn't immediately make packs legal is so everyone has time to get familiar with the new cards before a tournament. LCGs (as opposed to CCGs) generally have an older audiance with less expendable time. As a result, FFG believes that a pack should be out at least 3-4 weeks before a tournament; this way everyone who enters has had a chance to at least try out the cards.

looks like I was correct. Cards are legal once they are released for tournaments according to the rules out today. Kinda feel like gloating, but that is not who I am.

Rogue 4 said:

Wasn't that just gloating?

Rogue 4 said:

I don't know if I would gloat about being correct on a guess that had no logical basis in the LCG format. I mean, if that's the kind of person you are, then that's cool, but I personally would feel like an ass if I were smug about a silly guess.

Really though, the important thing here is that we know the rules, and we know what is legal. That makes me very happy.

Playtesting is done prior to printing while the game is in development; it has nothing to do with tournament legality dates. Apparently the immediate legality of these sets runs counter to FFG's previous procedure for their LCGs. It was not logical to assume immediate legality, given the information that we had.

You guessed counter to logic and happened to guess correctly; there is nothing worth gloating over.