Randomly captured cards

By The_Crow86, in Star Wars: The Card Game - Rules Questions

When I play the Sith objective Crue Interrogations, I may capture one card randomly from each opponents hand. I wonder now if I am allowed to look at the card before it gets captured or is the LS player the only one who is allowed to know which card lies there face down?

Thanks.

No reason you cannot look at it since it is under your control now.

Toqtamish said:

No reason you cannot look at it since it is under your control now.

I'm not so sure on this one. There's nothing in the rules the would say a captured card is under the "control" of the DS player (in fact, the definition of "controller" in the game is not very well done as all we get is "Controller describes the player who currently controls the card in question."). What we do know is that captured cards are face down. As far as I can find, there's nothing in the rules that talks about whether or not face down cards can be viewed by either player. I'm inclined to say that you cannot look at a face down card without a specific rule allowing you to…

Further discussion here:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=340&efcid=4&efidt=770859

Personally, I believe it's prudent to play most games by doing exactly what the rules and various effects say you can do rather than assuming you can do something else so long as the rules or effects do not say otherwise.

But I'm not sure that the rules team feels the same. They could in the FAQ simply issue a series of declarations without explaining how they logically or mechanically comply with the rules as written. It's their prerogative.

I can kind of see a reason not to allow it as then you know a card that your opponent does not have access to, say for instance you are lucky enough to capture Han. But for now RAW don't say you can't or that you can I guess so an argument either way can be made for it. One more for the FAQ I guess. I really wish they would just release it already instead of taking forever to make it perfect or something.

I have submitted this question via the rules link.

Toqtamish said:

I can kind of see a reason not to allow it as then you know a card that your opponent does not have access to, say for instance you are lucky enough to capture Han. But for now RAW don't say you can't or that you can I guess so an argument either way can be made for it. One more for the FAQ I guess. I really wish they would just release it already instead of taking forever to make it perfect or something.

RAW doesn't say you can't pick up your opponent's deck and look through all of the cards. Doesn't mean you can.

I know that's a hyperbolic example, but it's what I mean when I say it's really best to do what card effects or the rules say you can do. Seems a bad argument to say you can simply because the rules don't say you can't.

Again, I reserve the right to be subject to illogical or arbitrary rulings from the FAQ.

If the person whose card was randomly captured forgets what it was, can they look at it later?

This happened the other night while mixing Star Wars and alcohol. :)

divinityofnumber said:

If the person whose card was randomly captured forgets what it was, can they look at it later?

This happened the other night while mixing Star Wars and alcohol. :)

I'm going to go with no. Similarly, the LS player does not get to look at the card captured by Take Them Prisoner and you can't look through which cards you've placed in your edge stack to remind yourself what they are.

dbmeboy said:

and you can't look through which cards you've placed in your edge stack to remind yourself what they are.

That just means that I will keep a small notepad with me and write them down. Likewise, I do that when I get to look at someone's hand, and then cross things off as they play them.

divinityofnumber said:

dbmeboy said:

and you can't look through which cards you've placed in your edge stack to remind yourself what they are.

That just means that I will keep a small notepad with me and write them down. Likewise, I do that when I get to look at someone's hand, and then cross things off as they play them.

dbmeboy said:

divinityofnumber said:

If the person whose card was randomly captured forgets what it was, can they look at it later?

This happened the other night while mixing Star Wars and alcohol. :)

I'm going to go with no. Similarly, the LS player does not get to look at the card captured by Take Them Prisoner and you can't look through which cards you've placed in your edge stack to remind yourself what they are.

Same reasoning for not being able to look at captured cards: they're specifically said to be face down. Short of some rule allowing a player to look at certain face down cards I tend to interpret "face down" as unable to be viewed.

dbmeboy said:

Same reasoning for not being able to look at captured cards: they're specifically said to be face down. Short of some rule allowing a player to look at certain face down cards I tend to interpret "face down" as unable to be viewed.
Niranth said:

dbmeboy said:

Same reasoning for not being able to look at captured cards: they're specifically said to be face down. Short of some rule allowing a player to look at certain face down cards I tend to interpret "face down" as unable to be viewed.
if edge cards were face up, the edge battle would be a different animal all together. As such, I look at face down as a means of keeping the card secret from your opponent, not from yourself. You would have a tough time playing some forms of poker if you held your strict interpretation of face down.

dbmeboy said:

divinityofnumber said:

dbmeboy said:

and you can't look through which cards you've placed in your edge stack to remind yourself what they are.

That just means that I will keep a small notepad with me and write them down. Likewise, I do that when I get to look at someone's hand, and then cross things off as they play them.

We'll have to wait for the tournament guide to see if that will be allowed.

Regardless of what they do or do not allow, I will be able to devise a system by which to keep track of what I saw when I looked at their hand.