Triggered effects from cards that leave the game

By loffenx, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Hello, a discussion came up during a game yesterday were one player triggered Pike Phalanx,

"Limited Response: After you declare Pike Phalanx as an attacker with at least one other character with a ico_war.png crest, raise the claim on your revealed plot card by 1 until the end of the phase. (Limit 1 Limited Response per phase)"

The Phalanx was later during the phase killed. The question is, does the raised claim linger after the Phalanx has been removed? Or more generally, does the triggered effects from cards that leave the game linger after they have been removed?

Thankful for any input!

To clarify, when he makes a second atatck, does he still have his claimed raised by one even though the Phalanx is now dead?

This is a so-called lasting effect. Lasting effects are active beyond the action window in which they were triggered and can be recognized by having a point of inititation and a set duration (which sets them apart from constant effects, which also last longer than one action window, but have neither a point of initiation nor a set duration).

Once a lasting effect has resolved successfully, it remains active for its set duration, even if the card that triggered the effect leaves play.

That means: Yes, the claim stays raised even if Pike Phalanx is killed.

Excellent reply, thank you. Does the same principle apply to balnking? If I had cast Nightmares (Any Phase: Choose 1 character or 1 location. Until the end of the phase, treat the printed text box of that character or location as though it were blank.) on the Phalanx, would the effect still remain in effect, so to speak?

If so, do I understand it correctly that the crucial distinction here is between lasting and passive effects? You can blank Daenerys Targaryen ( Lady, Queen Renown. ico_targaryen.png characters you control get +1 STR) and get rid of the +1 effect since it is a passve effect. But If it had been say "Challenges: Kneel Daenerys Targaryen to give all ico_targaryen.png characters you control get +1 STR until the end of the phase", the effect would have remained, correct?

Again, thanks alot!

Correction: With "passive" I meant "constanct" effects.

That's exactly right, blanking after the effect has successfully resolved would not remove a lasting effect, whereas you can blank a constant effect quite easily.

In short, once a card with an effect that specifies "until X" is resolved, the effect is good "until X" no matter what happens to the original card.

If the card had to stay in play in order for the lasting effect to be good, all those event cards that say "until the end of the phase" would be pretty useless.

Hehe yeah, that event-argument came up later and swung the debate. Thanks for the help everyone!

If anyone is interested, here is the relevant part from the FAQ aswell:

(3.35) Gaining an Ability from a Triggered
Effect

When a card gains an ability or additional
card text from a triggered effect, it retains that
ability throughout the duration of the effect,
even if the original source of the triggered
effect is blanked or leaves play. This rule holds
true when a card provides itself with additional
text through one of its own triggered effects.