from france

hello back from a long abscence. i ve been offered only war and i don't know how much it s compatible with dh. i just saw that unatural toughness is +2 and not x2 or is it a typo? well i hope to read your opinions. it s ve son long since i last came that i didn't find a similar topics. thanks in advance.

from france

the weapon seems more balance am i right?

No, the Unnatural characteristic thing isn't a typo. Unnatural characteristics (+) provide a flat bonus rather than multiplying the characteristic's bonus. For example,

• Unnatural Toughness (x2) for a Toughness characteristic of 40 would give the character an effective Toughness Bonus of 8, since 4x2=8.
• Increasing it to T50 would make it 10, since 5x2=10.
• By contrast, Unnatural Toughness (+2) for T40 would give the character an effective Toughness Bonus of 6, since 4+2=6.
• Increasing it to T50 would make it 7, since 5+2=7.

I find the addition multipliers to be more balanced, since it doesn't become quite so ridiculous as characteristics increase. Space Marine characters in Deathwatch have Unnatural Toughness and Strength (x2), making SB/TB 8 their average characteristic. Black Crusade compensates by giving Chaos Space Marines Unnatural Toughess/Strenth (+4), bringing them up to roughly the same level.

Boss Gitsmasha said:

How it should have been handled right from the beginning, too. Multipliers tend to "explode" some way down the road, and it's not hard to see how that could break the game - especially in a system where Toughness works like a second layer of armor, rather than minimizing the effect of sustained injuries.

That being said, I have to say that it could simply be dropped altogether and replaced with a flat +X modifier as part of the normal characteristics bonuses. It seems so unnecessarily complicated to preserve it as a specific trait. Sure, one could say that UT still works differently for the purpose of opposed tests, but imho the differences are unwarranted. Either somebody is stronger, or he isn't.