::KYO::

By babelfish666, in UFS Rules Q & A

A couple of questions about his second ability:

R: After your opponent plays a card or ability that affects 1 of your cards in play, take 1 random card from your hand and add it to your momentum.

Q1, By "affects" does this cover all of the following: Commit/stun effects, ready effects, destroy effects, remove effects, negations. Are there any others?

Q2. It says "ability that effects 1 of your cards in play. Does the use of a number rather than the word one, mean that if an effect such as stun: 3 is used, i cannot react because it actually affects 3 of my cards in play? Seems like a silly one but i thought i had best check.

babelfish666 said:

A couple of questions about his second ability:

R: After your opponent plays a card or ability that affects 1 of your cards in play, take 1 random card from your hand and add it to your momentum.

Q1, By "affects" does this cover all of the following: Commit/stun effects, ready effects, destroy effects, remove effects, negations. Are there any others?

Q2. It says "ability that effects 1 of your cards in play. Does the use of a number rather than the word one, mean that if an effect such as stun: 3 is used, i cannot react because it actually affects 3 of my cards in play? Seems like a silly one but i thought i had best check.

1: Yes more or less. I don't know about negation but the rest cover his ability.

2: I would think not as a card of yer's is being effected.

The ability is targeting one of your cards even though it is multiple it is still only one trigger and can only be used once. the ablility states one card as a requirement for it's trigger but it only will add one card even though stun: 3 affects 3 cards.

no such thing as targeting in UFS. Also stun dosent "target" foudnations, it effectivley targets opponents who then have to commit. That being said stun still affects them as it will change thier game state.

I would have to imagine if a card does anything to a card that results in an altered game state for that card (commit, ready, destroy, remove from game, add or remove a counter to, etc) it would be considered affecting the card for his ability.

There are other ways to affect cards to... FREX Ivy's F that changes the control values of all cards.

aslum said:

There are other ways to affect cards to... FREX Ivy's F that changes the control values of all cards.

Thusly changing the game state, basicly if a card does anything to a card past referencing it its affecting it. Cards that say like If your opponent has a foundation in play dont affect them, just reference them, so i guess that would be the exclusion.

Which means i was correct in thinking that negation will affect the cards? As the way i see it, if one of my opponents cards stops one of fmy cards abilities, then it is directly affecting my card.

babelfish666 said:

Which means i was correct in thinking that negation will affect the cards? As the way i see it, if one of my opponents cards stops one of fmy cards abilities, then it is directly affecting my card.

Nope because it does not result in a changed game state. Negation alone is affecting the ability, not the card. If the negation is something like Lost memories or what have you that not only negates but destroys, commits, etc then yes it would but negation alone does not trigger KYO.

sounds like a fair result

but the ability is from the card thus affecting the card itself, isnt it?

No. The ability is simply negating another ability. It doesn't affect the card the ability is attempting to be played by, as a card like Charismatic would.

maida said:

but the ability is from the card thus affecting the card itself, isnt it?

Nope. unless the effect changes the game state of the card in play its not affecting it. Abilities exist independent of thier sources so the fact that you canceled the ability does not directly change the state of the source.

Now that is to say that a lot of cards will do both, charasmatic for instance, in which case kyo could respond (and get his mometnum and then pump it through red lotus and save the thing canceled...). The confusion comes from the fact that alot of cards do both, not that one is intrinsically linked with the other.

Protoaddict said:

maida said:

but the ability is from the card thus affecting the card itself, isnt it?

Nope. unless the effect changes the game state of the card in play its not affecting it. Abilities exist independent of thier sources so the fact that you canceled the ability does not directly change the state of the source.

Now that is to say that a lot of cards will do both, charasmatic for instance, in which case kyo could respond (and get his mometnum and then pump it through red lotus and save the thing canceled...). The confusion comes from the fact that alot of cards do both, not that one is intrinsically linked with the other.

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