Hi,

Me and my group are starting to play the game and have the following question. If I declare an attack and my opponent plays Lethal Counterattack (S 158) " Challenges : During a Military Challenge, kneel 2 of your Stark Characters to kill all attacking characters. Limit 1 per challenge" and I save one of my characters by discarding one of his duplicates, is that character still considered as an attacker for the challenge?

Thanks!

Yes. Nothing's removed him from the challenge, so he's still in it.

Indeed he is.

The only way to take a character out of a challenge is to have an effect that explicitly removes them from it, so if they are killed by something like lethal counter attack they are removed before the challenge resolves, if you can save them then they carry on and the challenge continues.

The timing can be best explained with a copy of the faq, but it goes like this, after characters are delcared to be attacking (which the game calls a framework action) there is an oppertunity for players to take actions, lethal counter attack can be played here, (the game calls this a player action) then there is another framework action for declaring stealth and defending characters, then another set of player actions (lethal counter attack can be played here as well) and finally the final framework action where the challenge results are worked out and claim dealt, unopposed power and renown are awarded and then passives and responses are done.

The actions are all resolved before the next step begins, so if your opponent player lethal counter attack it resolves fully before the next action, so your chaarcters that are killed would be removed (And thus out of the challenge)

(there is more to it then what i have said, im sure others on the board will give a more detailed break down to correct any generalisations ive made).

Other examples of challenge removal are things like pentoshi manor and toll gate, both effects state that the targeted character is 'removed from the challenge'.

Also as its a common set of questions, losing an icon mid challenge does NOt remove you from the challenge, nor does standing the character remove them either, the effect has to say that you are removed (or your killed and thus removed any way)

Hope this helps.

Thank you all!!

I've seen some nastiness worked into this with Brienne of Tarth being declared as a defender before lethal counterattack is used. No dupe saves as her text says that opponents cannot trigger effects during a challenge in which she is participating… and that is what discarding a dupe is, or so I understand it.

Indeed it is. Dupe saves are responses gained by the card, thus triggered effects. Ambush is also a triggered effect (any phase) and thus cannot be used while an opposing Brienne is participating.