4-ship Imperial Squads

By hothie, in X-Wing

Vorpal Sword said:

hothie said:

So I took Daredevil off of Turr and added Push the Limit. That could be fun.

Ooh, that's tricky. I had been assuming PTL only worked during the "perform actions" step, but being able to use it during the Combat phase opens up a lot of interesting possibilities.

Yeah, I just posted in the TIE Interceptor spam thread, but I'll post something like it here:

I played a game with my wife last night, and I ran Turr with PtL. On his regular action I would either focus or evade, then after attacking, I would barrel roll, then boost with PtL. I gain a stress token, so next round I perform green maneuver, rinse and repeat. It worked really well for getting him out of my opponent's firing arcs after attacking. And it got him around the board fairly quickly to boot. Keep in mind a 2-turn is a green maneuver on an Interceptor, so I was able to get behind her ships fairly easily and quickly. They are going to be fun to fly around the board with.

Vorpal Sword said:

hothie said:

So I took Daredevil off of Turr and added Push the Limit. That could be fun.

Ooh, that's tricky. I had been assuming PTL only worked during the "perform actions" step, but being able to use it during the Combat phase opens up a lot of interesting possibilities.

Vorpal Sword said:

hothie said:

So I took Daredevil off of Turr and added Push the Limit. That could be fun.

Ooh, that's tricky. I had been assuming PTL only worked during the "perform actions" step, but being able to use it during the Combat phase opens up a lot of interesting possibilities.

Just remember that it is only once per round. If you use PTL in response to the action taken in the perform actions step, you can't use it again in the combat step.

True, but if you use ptl in the perform actions step, then you will lose his ability on the card, as Tawnos pointed out, Turr wouldn't be able to use those actions while stressed. So, your best bet is to perform an action normally, then use ptl after attacking. I guess it depends on the situation as well, but that works out really well for him to use ptl during the combat phase.

hothie said:

True, but if you use ptl in the perform actions step, then you will lose his ability on the card, as Tawnos pointed out, Turr wouldn't be able to use those actions while stressed. So, your best bet is to perform an action normally, then use ptl after attacking. I guess it depends on the situation as well, but that works out really well for him to use ptl during the combat phase.

It gives him a lot of maneuverability, but that's not all. It's also an opportunity to (e.g.) pick up Focus as an offensive buff during the maneuver phase, then pick up Evade after you've fired--or even the other way around. It's an opportunity to adjust your stance mid-combat that's almost impossible to duplicate.

I am a huge fan of this idea, now, and I'm going to go plan a Fel/Phennir PTL list.

hothie said:

True, but if you use ptl in the perform actions step, then you will lose his ability on the card, as Tawnos pointed out, Turr wouldn't be able to use those actions while stressed. So, your best bet is to perform an action normally, then use ptl after attacking. I guess it depends on the situation as well, but that works out really well for him to use ptl during the combat phase.

This brings up an interesting question on the wording of Push the Limit.

"Once per round, after you perform an action, you may perform 1 free action shown in your action bar. Then receive 1 stress token."

So, does that mean that the option to use PtL is only extended once per round (after you take your first action), and if you decline to use it, that's that?

Or, does it mean that it's extended every time you take an action during the round, and may only be exercised once per round?

Basically, does the "Once per round" portion of the card apply to "after you perform an action" or "you may"?

I suspect it works the exact way Hothie is suggesting (which is really cute on Turr, by the way), but I've been blindsided by weird rulings before.

It seems to me that the "Once per round" applies to the "you may", and my justification is that "once per round" and "after you perform an action" are both restrictions to the "you may" portion of the card. I wouldn't read that as a restriction on a restriction, but can see how it could be interpreted as that. JUDGE!!!!

Maybe a clarification email to FFG is in order.

Tawnos said:

hothie said:

True, but if you use ptl in the perform actions step, then you will lose his ability on the card, as Tawnos pointed out, Turr wouldn't be able to use those actions while stressed. So, your best bet is to perform an action normally, then use ptl after attacking. I guess it depends on the situation as well, but that works out really well for him to use ptl during the combat phase.

This brings up an interesting question on the wording of Push the Limit.

"Once per round, after you perform an action, you may perform 1 free action shown in your action bar. Then receive 1 stress token."

So, does that mean that the option to use PtL is only extended once per round (after you take your first action), and if you decline to use it, that's that?

Or, does it mean that it's extended every time you take an action during the round, and may only be exercised once per round?

Basically, does the "Once per round" portion of the card apply to "after you perform an action" or "you may"?

I suspect it works the exact way Hothie is suggesting (which is really cute on Turr, by the way), but I've been blindsided by weird rulings before.

There's also the use of the indefinite article "an" in "when you perform an action", which suggests the possibility of multiple instances of "action".

Finally, I think there's an Occam's Razor argument. Since it's a grammatical/linguistic stretch to read it as restricting PTL to the first action you take in a round, and there are entirely unambiguous ways to express that same idea ("The first time you take an action each round…" or "Once per round, when you take an action during your Perform Actions step…"), there's no reason to adopt the more strained reading over the more straightforward one.