G'Day,
i have found no specific definition, but i would say with a view to the timing flowchart in the FAQ for the challenge phase:
"During" a challenge goes from the first player action to the challenge resolution framework window (The framework window with the "Determine Winner" event), because there is an arrow from the challenge resolution framework window back to the first player action with the Note "Active player's Next Challenge Opportunity".
'During a challenge' constitutes anything in frameworks 2-4 (as they are presented on the flowchart in the faq) in the challenge phase i believe, so from the active player 'declaring challenge type and opponent and the kneeling attacking characters' to the 'Determine winner of challenge, challenge result is implemented, reward for unopposed , challenge is awarded, renown is awarded' is considered during the challenge.
Underworld40k said:
'During a challenge' constitutes anything in frameworks 2-4 (as they are presented on the flowchart in the faq)
Without the Player Action Segments?
Don't think so.
An Event like "Lethal Counterattack" says: "During a MIL challenge…" and can be played only in a Player action segment.
But it's correct that, as i tried to define, the first Player Action Segment as included does not fit, as the MIL challenge would not have been defined at this point, so should be excluded.
Obviously he meant that the two PA windows sandwiched between th FA windows are included as well. Basically, "during a challenge" is the second gray box, the second white box, the third gray box, the third white box, and the fourth gray box. The challenge begins when the active player declares a challenge and ends at the end of the FA window in which the challenge resolves. Everything in between is "during" a challenge, and everything outside of that is not. An event like Lethal Counterattack can be played only in one of the PA windows "during" th challenge -- ie, not in the PA window before a challenge is declared. By contrast, an event like Incinerate can be played in any PA window in the challenges phase because it contains no other restriction.
Vaapad said:
Obviously he meant that the two PA windows sandwiched between th FA windows are included as well. Basically, "during a challenge" is the second gray box, the second white box, the third gray box, the third white box, and the fourth gray box. The challenge begins when the active player declares a challenge and ends at the end of the FA window in which the challenge resolves. Everything in between is "during" a challenge, and everything outside of that is not. An event like Lethal Counterattack can be played only in one of the PA windows "during" th challenge -- ie, not in the PA window before a challenge is declared. By contrast, an event like Incinerate can be played in any PA window in the challenges phase because it contains no other restriction.
Vaapad said:
Obviously he meant that the two PA windows sandwiched between th FA windows are included as well. Basically, "during a challenge" is the second gray box, the second white box, the third gray box, the third white box, and the fourth gray box. The challenge begins when the active player declares a challenge and ends at the end of the FA window in which the challenge resolves. Everything in between is "during" a challenge, and everything outside of that is not. An event like Lethal Counterattack can be played only in one of the PA windows "during" th challenge -- ie, not in the PA window before a challenge is declared. By contrast, an event like Incinerate can be played in any PA window in the challenges phase because it contains no other restriction.
Indeed. "During a challenge"covers the entire time from the moment the active player declares challenge type and kneels attackers until Step 6 of the Challenge Resolution FAW.
Thus, for an often relevant example, if your opponent declares a MIL challenge and you defend with Brienne and lose, your opponent cannot play Die By The Sword in Step 5 because that Step occurs "during" the challenge in which she participated.