1. When does the game actually start? Before or after setup? If the game start before setup, can I setup "Increaded levy" on the HoD location?

2. If the game starts before setup, can I setup an HoD location duplicate? If the game starts after setup, can I put HoD location as a duplicate for the card already setup on the table?

Many thanks~

Sulpures said:

1. No, the location is not part of your setup.
2. No, you may not place duplicates during setup (page 9 of the Core Set rulebook).

Khudzlin said:

If so, can I put HoD location as a duplicate for the card already setup on the table when the game starts?

Sulpures said:

Playing a duplicate, just like playing any other non-event card, can only be done during a Marshaling phase.

Sulpures said:

Fixed. You are welcome.

Sulpures said:

Putting a card into play like At the Gates does is not the same as playing a card. Also At the Gates doesn't say anything about a unique maester at all and you would not be able to put into play a unique Maester you already control.

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Toqtamish said:

Further, as a "put into play" effect, it can be used to dupe a unique card that you already have in play - provided that the card you "put into play" meets all the requirements for the effect (in-House or neutral Maester character, printed cost 3 or less).

The fact that At the Gates can put unique Maesters into play - and dupe unique Maesters already in play - has been pretty well established for a long time.

That said, you still cannot use "setup" to dupe the location you get with House of Dreams because the rules specifically say you cannot place dupes during setup. In order to place dupes during setup, you would need to put down 2 of the same unique cards so that when you reveal your setup cards, one enters play as a duplicate. That means setup cards cannot enter play as duplicates, period, blocking you from duping the House of Dreams location with a setup card.

Sulpures said:

But if what you're really asking is whether players get to see your House of Dreams location before they draw setup hands and place their setup cards, the answer is "yes." That's because you announce your House and agenda before anyone draws/places for setup and House of Dreams itself tells you to get the location when you announce your agenda.

Sulpures said:

And ultimately, House of Dreams is not a "put into play" effect, anyway, making the fact that "put into play" effects can dupe unique cards that are already in play inapplicable.

(Kinda fun when 4 posts each give you just one of the 4 pieces you need to put together to get a complete answer, huh?)

If my opponent play HoD can i put an attachment in his location although dont have effect in the location?

Sure. Assuming the attachment can go on locations. As you say, no much benefit or strategic reason to do so, though.

Hello, i put a Bear island in HoD, but in my setup, i have another Bear Island . Can i attach as a dupe?

orion_kurnous said:

The reasons why you can't are detailed earlier in this thread.

Stupid question but what sense does it make to play HoD and have the same announced card another time in your deck??

The HoD location is the safest it gets .. i don't see how you could get rid of it and what sense does it have to have it more than once?

Unless its non unique ofc..

MrFixit said:

I haven't seen fit to do so in any of the HoD decks I've built yet but the location (which the agenda requires to be unique, BTW) is vulnerable to plot effects. If your deck is built such that it really, really needs the location in play, a dupe can protect it from, say, A City Besieged or at least give you a backup copy to play if it gets removed by S&D. So there will be cases where people decide that it's worth it to have another copy in their decks.

Search and Detain will only return it to your hand anyways, so unless you simply can't play it that marshalling then your biggest threat it INT challenges until you do play it again. Granted, then it is no longer "immune" and as such a dupe could come in handy - unless someone blanks it.

MrFixit said:

As a simple FYI, since people on Agotcards were having trouble believing that the HoD location is NOT a legal target for a Setup attachment, I went and asked it from FFG directly.

The full question and answer is over at CardgameDB in Q&TR Issue 18 here .

The important part:

Because House of Dreams does not put the chosen location into your setup, but instead lets you start with the card in play at the beginning of the game, it is not a legal recipient for a Setup attachment.

WWDrakey said:

ktom said:

Yeah.

Like I said, the only reason I went and submitted the question from FFG was people not readily accepting your answer on it… (and also linked them the page where you can submit the questions yourself)

Teach a man to fish… etc.