Just wanted to know why in tournaments when an opponent has to satisfy a power claim he moves the power from his House card into his own pool and the winner moves power from his pool onto his House card. Why ?

I cannot find anything in the Rule books that backs this up. If anything when you claim power you " move " power already in the game, thus if there is no power on a losing opponents House card you cannot move power. I just don't understand why its officially played differently at events than it is meant to be played out in the Rule book.

I may be missing something but to me it just doesn't make sense. I can just about understand each player having there own pool but to then move power onto your House card so the winner can then move power from his pool onto his card seems plain wrong. Its seems like its just fogging the distinction between "claiming power and "moving power"

And more importantly its opening up the potential for mishaps and side entrance shenanigans. It only takes the winner to not realise def has no power and to then claim(move) from pool and for the loser in that split second not to realise he has just done that !

I thought the reason you moved power was to differentiate between claiming and moving, ie I lose a power challange as defender, if I have no power to move then I cannot satisfy the power claim because the winning opponent cannot get his hands on power because he is physically trying to move power off my card.

Why not just have one power pool and play the game like so. When you claim you move off card and when you " claim ", ie, unopposed, renown etc, you claim from the pool as it states in rule book.

It really threw me off when I went to my first Tourny and that was being done, the amount of mistakes I saw just because of the extra mechanic of losing defender moving power back into pool and winner claiming power for a power claim through his pool. I really thought it was a mistake until I checked the Gencon Joust Final footage on youtube and realised they were doing the same.

Basically, why when power is being moved does it go into the pool at all ?

It maybe because Ive been playing it a certain way for a while but I just couldn't get my head around not being able to physically give an opponent his power claim if I lost a power challenge as the defender, instead, adding an extra mechanic of having to put power back into my pool and then making sure winner claimed (moved) from his house correctly.

because many people use their own custom power counters and don't want to lose track of them. its really not an issue.

MAULER said:

This is correct. If anyone was adding a power to their house card for claim (rather than for unopposed, opposing titles etc) when there was no power on the defender’s house card, then they were playing incorrectly.
I personally have never seen this happen, and while I agree it may be harder to clearly understand where each power is coming from when each player has an individual power pool, in practise it’s normally quite easy to keep track of.
The only real issue for me with custom tokens is when they only give you 15 in a set. I have Baratheon counters and some borrowed Targaryen counters, but both the packs only came with 15… You can feel pretty sheepish asking your opponent to borrow some if you manage to power rush before getting all of your chains off from Maester’s Path, or if you meet Melisandre…!

I saw 2 mistakes happening Ray and I know I should of said something but I didn't due to it being my first tournament. Fair enough though, my lot will just have to get used to it. Still seems strange to make an issue of NOT playing like the rulebook states just because players want to play with there own tokens. I didnt think FFG would budge on things like that.

I know what your saying Dennis but it is an issue for new and newish players who have been claiming power correctly to then go to events and find that moving power does not exist in the game. I suppose I just need top play like it for a bit.

Thanks for the replies guys.

MAULER said:

This whole thread confuses me.

If you lose a power challenge, you know you are losing X power counters from your house card due to claim(X being the claim amount). The opponent knows they are gaining that amount of power from you. Just because you are adding the step of using your own pool to keep track of the amount of power, does not mean it's not playing as the rule book states. The spirit of the power challenge is all about the net gain/loss of power. It's not about physical movement and placement of the same exact power counter. If you drop a power counter from your house card on the floor and lose it, does that invalidate the game because its new physical location(and how it got there) is not part of the game rules? What is important is that power is claimed and counted correctly through out the game. How this power has been physically placed and moved is irrelevant as long as they are put on the correct cards.

Ok fair enough, we just need to start playing our games like that then I suppose. I take on board what your saying and I know that the moving of power is still happening its just that Im so used to instinctively passing power and sharing a gold and power pool I just wanted the take from a few more experienced guys. I fully agree the rules are not being broken its just something new and newish players need to be aware of. Its hard enough in those events without moving one of your power tokens not realising the opponent is also moving from the pool to satisfy the claim as well.

Hi guys….a way to get used to that is by actually moving the power token from their house (or character if thats the case) and then replacing the actual token for one of yours.

Glad to hear that more people has gone through that adjustment

Having never actually played in a tournament, I can only give an outsider's view. But the way it is done makes perfect sense.

Although it is never explicitly stated in the tournament rules, the reality is you need to bring more than just your deck to a game. You need to bring your own power counters and gold tokens. There is no tournament-provided pool of tokens to draw from. So, whether you choose to use the basic cardboard tokens that came from the core set, or the fancy-schmancy acrylic gold-plated acid-etched diamond-studded tokens you had custom made, you want to leave the table with the same tokens you brought. So even though the rules say you "move" power from one house card to another, the simplest thing is to do it the way it is done - they move a token off their house card to their pile, and you move a token from your pile to your house card. Power moved. No rules broken. Bottom line, everybody leaves with what they came with.

We used to have a power pool and such like and only recently moved to everybody having their own pool of power/gold (even though its still the cardboard stuff from the core set, i did use chocolate coins for gold and while cool they eventually melt in your pocket and its not nice)

Since switching and becoming used to having your own power pool its much easier to see how much power each person needs to win you if you can just count the power in your opponents pool. Some people stack power tokens, some place them in rows and it can sometimes be annoying to try count an opponents power on house cards, far easier to notice "oh hes only got 2 power left in his pool" sorta thing.

Totalgit said:

I'd probably lose every game because all my gold would be in my belly instead of being used to marshal cards.