An Arkham encounter dumped Lily at the Black Cave, where the Skinless One happens to be sitting on a gate. Does Lily encounter the Skinless One or is she drawn through the gate without encountering him? Tibs has claimed that you don't encounter the monsters in those circumstances, but he cited no rules section or ruling from Kevin to back up his opinion. What is the right answer? Please, help!
TIME-CRITICAL RULES QUESTION!
I've always played that way too. You only fight in the movement phase.
I would think the Skinless One is encountered in the Movement phase next turn, since the Skinless one was not placed as apart of an encounter that says "A monster appears".
Now if Lily arrived after going through the gate, in the OW and comming back out she gets the standard one-turn pass.
Solan said:
but he cited no rules section or ruling from Kevin to back up his opinion. What is the right answer? Please, help!
It is a ruling by Kevin W, and has been posted here in one of the early threads. Sadly, said threat isn't a sticky and with the search function being what it is...
With a little digging (that someone might have done themselves, lazy bas...
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http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?efid=5&efcid=1&efidt=895
(seems too long for the link quote)
Solan said:
Tibs has claimed that you don't encounter the monsters in those circumstances, but he cited no rules section or ruling from Kevin to back up his opinion.
The funny thing is, this ruling was a reversal of an earlier ruling. It used to be that you had to deal with the monsters, but for whatever reason now, if an Encounter moves you to another location, you don't deal with the monsters sitting there. If you're supposed to have an encounter at the new location, and there's a gate there, you enter it as though you had moved there normally during Phase 2.
Here is the correct answer, on the FAQ thread provided by Dam:
Monsters and movement as a result of an encounter (01/02/07)
When moved to another location by an encounter, you don't have to fight/evade monsters in either location. At least, not immediately. Combat as a result of such movement only occurs during the movement phase. During the encounter phase, you only have to worry about monsters popping up to attack you as a result of an encounter.
This rule overides the following FAQ v1.2 entry:
If a location card tells an investigator that he may move to another location and have an encounter there, what happens if the location has a monster and/or gate on it?
First, the investigator must successfully evade or fight any monsters at the location. If successful, the investigator has a normal Arkham Encounters Phase at the new location, following either the Gate or No Gate instructions on pages 8-9 of the rulebook.
Note (06/03/08 ):
In the Kingsport expansion, this FAQ entry has been reworded and seems to confirm the previous FAQ v1.2 entry. At the moment it is not known which ruling is the correct one and we are awaiting an official answer from the game designers.
Note (06/24/08 ):
I have received an answer from Kevin, and i copy here his answer verbatim:
So his previous ruling, which limits combat with monsters on the board only during the movement phase was the good one. Too bad the Kingsport FAQ reintroduced the error, but at least we have an official ruling.
KevinW wrote:Hmm, looking at the files, now that I have a chance. It appears that the ruling was changed after FAQ 1.2 and the FAQ stuff that went into Kingsport was simply not updated in that instance. Stick with the combat only occurs during the movement phase ruling. My apologies for the confusion.
-Kevin Wilson
Fantasy Flight Games
You were right, Tibs. Sorry for doubting you, but I wasn't sure whether you were quoting one of Kevin's rulings or applying your own logic. So it looks like Lily is drawn through the Gate this turn, and gets to avoid being Devoured by the Skinless One (at least for now). Thanks, everyone!