I know you can't play or put into play a copy of a unique character if there is a copy you own in your opponent's control or in your dead pile, but what would happen if a card effect put a copy into one of these areas while you have one in play? A few examples are Visenya's Hill (SaS) , River Raid (ASoSilence) , and Aegon's Hill (TTotH) . Would the copy you have in play get discarded?
Uniques and River Raid, Visenya's Hill, etc.
no.
The rules are kind of "directional" in this regard. It is not the game "state" of having a unique card in play and in your dead pile that is illegal; it is the action of playing/putting into play a unique card that is already in your dead pile that is illegal. So there is nothing wrong if a copy ends up in your dead pile or under your opponent's control after you have legally played your copy.
Cool, thanks for the clarification. I thought it was the state of having a copy in both places that was illegal, but I should have assumed that this would be made explicitly clear somewhere if so.
Say you have one in play, one is moved into your dead pile and then you draw into the third copy of that character. Can you duplicate the character you have in play, or does that violate the rule ktom outlined previously?
When you play a dupe, you are playing a dupe, not a unique card. The rules prevent you from playing the unique card, so you're still good to play the dupe.
I always thought the placement of the parentheses meant you couldn't do that (you would definitely be allowed to if they were at the very end of the sentence).
Khudzlin said:
I always thought the placement of the parentheses meant you couldn't do that (you would definitely be allowed to if they were at the very end of the sentence).
Well, I'd argue that when you play a dupe, you are considered to have played a dupe, not a character/location/etc., and not a copy of the unique card. You cannot, for example, Respond to playing a Lanni character or location with Castellan of the Rock when you play a dupe because you are not considered to have played a character or location.
So when you play a dupe, you have not played, put into play, or taken control of a unique card that is in your dead pile - because you have not played, put into play, or taken control of a unique card. (You have played or put into play a duplicate.)
Effectively, the reasoning for duping with copy #3 while copy #1 is (legally) in play and copy #2 is (legally) in the dead pile holds true with or without the parenthetical.
Thanks for the response, good to know!
ktom said:
The rules are kind of "directional" in this regard. It is not the game "state" of having a unique card in play and in your dead pile that is illegal; it is the action of playing/putting into play a unique card that is already in your dead pile that is illegal. So there is nothing wrong if a copy ends up in your dead pile or under your opponent's control after you have legally played your copy.
While I am always ready to trust what you guys at FFG have to say in these matters, I have to say… "whyyyyyyyy?" I do understand that the rule's wording allows this, but why does it allow this? It makes no sense, from my experiences in this game, thus far. From this wording and clarification, I am forced to come to the reasonable conclusion that Visenya's Hill et al, are merely tag-a-longs for cards like the kindly man, rhaenys' hill, and others that let you fetch characters out of a dead pile.
On that same note, I just realized something while typing that last sentence. Does this effectively neutralize that combination of using visenya's hill to place a copy of a character into the dead pile, and later use rhaenys' hill to put into play on your side from said dead pile if your opponent still has their copy in play?
stormwolf27 said:
From this wording and clarification, I am forced to come to the reasonable conclusion that Visenya's Hill et al, are merely tag-a-longs for cards like the kindly man, rhaenys' hill, and others that let you fetch characters out of a dead pile.
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stormwolf27 said:
On that same note, I just realized something while typing that last sentence. Does this effectively neutralize that combination of using visenya's hill to place a copy of a character into the dead pile, and later use rhaenys' hill to put into play on your side from said dead pile if your opponent still has their copy in play?
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