Scubadude said:
FYI BARELY ANYONE RAN FELINE SPIKE AT WORLDS!!
Considering all the best block 3 support for air and water has come out post worlds that's hardly a surprise. Spike's a lot stronger in the current environment than it was then.
Feline Spike
Scubadude said:
Protoaddict said:
There was a time ago when we would have looked a spike and say MEH, why use this over these other kills that dont have 1 checks, even when said kills were clearly less brutal. I feel that will be the case soon enough.
I have high hopes that something like geri loop or chain throw looping will come back in a little bit more of a balanced way in the near future.
FYI BARELY ANYONE RAN FELINE SPIKE AT WORLDS!!
except you....
Im sorry but thats really not true, and the only reason for its remotely less use is because the control game was being played under Addes' Symbols which was an even more busted card
Feline Spike is a dang good card and I personally dont think its going anywhere... it doesnt completely lose to rejection, is a reversal, is the easiest 24 damage for the cost and it doesnt fail to the anti multiple stuff release thus far because of its E. Not to mention its a freaking bloody reversal and has stun 2
First off, ebay is a terrible place to look at card values. I know I've picked up many cards there on the cheaps just because no one looks on there. Coolstuff is the only game in town from what I can tell, and why they don't just buy all the supers and such that always ends for nothing on ebay is beyond me. Or maybe they do and I'm giving them too little credit, amazing secondary market people that they are...
Also, have you read the card? Making a card that good in any rarity is a problem, and making it super rare just means its more expensive to get. Since the secondary market for this game sucks (aka you can't buy any card you want like you can even in L5R, regardless of what the price is), that actually translates to making it hard to get for once. Yay snowball effect.
You'd figure people would play decent numbers of high blocks by now...
FFTARoxorz05 said:
First off, ebay is a terrible place to look at card values. I know I've picked up many cards there on the cheaps just because no one looks on there. Coolstuff is the only game in town from what I can tell, and why they don't just buy all the supers and such that always ends for nothing on ebay is beyond me. Or maybe they do and I'm giving them too little credit, amazing secondary market people that they are...
Also, have you read the card? Making a card that good in any rarity is a problem, and making it super rare just means its more expensive to get. Since the secondary market for this game sucks (aka you can't buy any card you want like you can even in L5R, regardless of what the price is), that actually translates to making it hard to get for once. Yay snowball effect.
You'd figure people would play decent numbers of high blocks by now...
Thats why im so in love with heel snipe!!
Da_ghetto_gamer said:
FFTARoxorz05 said:
First off, ebay is a terrible place to look at card values. I know I've picked up many cards there on the cheaps just because no one looks on there. Coolstuff is the only game in town from what I can tell, and why they don't just buy all the supers and such that always ends for nothing on ebay is beyond me. Or maybe they do and I'm giving them too little credit, amazing secondary market people that they are...
Also, have you read the card? Making a card that good in any rarity is a problem, and making it super rare just means its more expensive to get. Since the secondary market for this game sucks (aka you can't buy any card you want like you can even in L5R, regardless of what the price is), that actually translates to making it hard to get for once. Yay snowball effect.
You'd figure people would play decent numbers of high blocks by now...
Thats why im so in love with heel snipe!!
So am i my ghetto gaming friend so Am i.............
If memory serves me right, I do think Jon Herr was running spikes in his Yoshitora deck at worlds and made top 16.
Correctamundo. He was indeed. Three, alongside four each of Chain Throw and Kunai, if memory serves.
For those of you attempting to spread pre-set 12 gospel...
Stop
Set 12 isn't out yet, and from what I've witnessed, NOTHING has been spoiled yet. As such, I really wouldn't use a defensive line like, "set 12 will make Feline obsolete/less powerful." You ought to be saying, "HOPEFULLY set 12 will make Feline obsolete/less powerful", much like how ***Yun Seong*** dominated Worlds 07 yet with the release of Seal of Cess, Absurd, Addes, and Tag Along, HE became obsolete and thrust into the mid tier (if even lol).
And for those who feel obliged to cuddle with Hata, also, stop. Hata very clearly helped out on the last set, but there's no denying that set 11 didn't really contribute that much to our game. It gave us Chun Li, who, from what I've heard is in gigantic consideration for being banned (I have no source so don't take me for too much), Moon Slash (a more tame Feline, I think), and a few other goodies. Case in point, it was just another set: few staples, many trash throw-aways (lolKimlol).
Like I'd mentioned, Horvath decided to reprint Mark of the Beast due to, "a character in set 12 has plenty of multiples", so it's assumed we'll see more anti-multiple support.
Yun Seong was destroyed in time because of A: the amount of cards that punished momentum generation and B: the amount of cards that punished character abilities. Feline, however, isn't a character with one ability: it's an attack with basically 4 abilities (reversal, stun, multiple, enhance). It's going to be EXTREMELY hard to beat, and I'd say that Scubadude showed us Feline best when all he did was run Feline with Ichi no Tachi and go undefeated in Teams (from what I hear).
Besides, wasn't there some dude at WCC who ran Donovan with Feline? Donovan doesn't even need Feline for God's sake
MarcoPulleaux said:
And for those who feel obliged to cuddle with Hata, also, stop. Hata very clearly helped out on the last set, but there's no denying that set 11 didn't really contribute that much to our game. It gave us Chun Li, who, from what I've heard is in gigantic consideration for being banned (I have no source so don't take me for too much), Moon Slash (a more tame Feline, I think), and a few other goodies. Case in point, it was just another set: few staples, many trash throw-aways (lolKimlol).
HORSECRAP. I'm not one to kiss up to my former teamate but set 11 made a GIGANTIC IMPACT on the game. I can name more cards from the sets that are being used than are not, and a few that will be used more once life becomes competitive again. If you cant see that I think your simpily not playing the same game the rest of us are.
GPhantom and Neo Raging are both seeing major play as alternate kills to spike
High Tide is the only 5 check attack in the game so far caome block 3
Clean Freak is making really strong impact on all its symbols
Aquakinisis is auto include on all its symbols from what I can tell
Deceptive Quickness is a great 1/5 that is in most decks that can run it
Chun Li + kick will be at ever major from here on out
Nakaruru is poised to make a huge impace as soon as life gets like one or 2 more pieces to tie the decks together
Elena is super agro that works and is very strong
Annu Mutsube gives reversal decks a piece they sorley needed
Will for the fight is STRONG anti discard and really there isnt much else like it right now
Flames of fame (boxtopper) is and will see more play as it is an amazing foundation on all its symbols, as card pool clearing tends to be.
This list can go on but Im going to cut it off. You sir are 100% wrong in your assesment. It has nothing to do with "Meta" or anythign of that nature either, its just a good release that fundamentally altered and contributed to the game, as all sets should.
Protoaddict said:
MarcoPulleaux said:
And for those who feel obliged to cuddle with Hata, also, stop. Hata very clearly helped out on the last set, but there's no denying that set 11 didn't really contribute that much to our game. It gave us Chun Li, who, from what I've heard is in gigantic consideration for being banned (I have no source so don't take me for too much), Moon Slash (a more tame Feline, I think), and a few other goodies. Case in point, it was just another set: few staples, many trash throw-aways (lolKimlol).
HORSECRAP. I'm not one to kiss up to my former teamate but set 11 made a GIGANTIC IMPACT on the game. I can name more cards from the sets that are being used than are not, and a few that will be used more once life becomes competitive again. If you cant see that I think your simpily not playing the same game the rest of us are.
GPhantom and Neo Raging are both seeing major play as alternate kills to spike
High Tide is the only 5 check attack in the game so far caome block 3
Clean Freak is making really strong impact on all its symbols
Aquakinisis is auto include on all its symbols from what I can tell
Deceptive Quickness is a great 1/5 that is in most decks that can run it
Chun Li + kick will be at ever major from here on out
Nakaruru is poised to make a huge impace as soon as life gets like one or 2 more pieces to tie the decks together
Elena is super agro that works and is very strong
Annu Mutsube gives reversal decks a piece they sorley needed
Will for the fight is STRONG anti discard and really there isnt much else like it right now
Flames of fame (boxtopper) is and will see more play as it is an amazing foundation on all its symbols, as card pool clearing tends to be.
This list can go on but Im going to cut it off. You sir are 100% wrong in your assesment. It has nothing to do with "Meta" or anythign of that nature either, its just a good release that fundamentally altered and contributed to the game, as all sets should.
You have been trolled.
Geez guys read his friggin' sig before flying off the handle. You know he's known for this crap.
Quoth Shinji: "It gave us Chun Li, who, from what I've heard is in gigantic consideration for being banned (I have no source so don't take me for too much)"
My god, do you even think before you type any more?
"Hey guys, here's a completely and totally baseless rumor that you should take into consideration because a bunch of people have whined about her on the forums. Please don't take into consideration that I'm pretty much a pariah and have no access to inside information like the rest of you, (and therefore my first sentence is contradicted by what I put in parentheses here)"
Archimedes said:
Quoth Shinji: "It gave us Chun Li, who, from what I've heard is in gigantic consideration for being banned (I have no source so don't take me for too much)"
My god, do you even think before you type any more?
"Hey guys, here's a completely and totally baseless rumor that you should take into consideration because a bunch of people have whined about her on the forums. Please don't take into consideration that I'm pretty much a pariah and have no access to inside information like the rest of you, (and therefore my first sentence is contradicted by what I put in parentheses here)"
LOL god some times you are the man Arch .
Archimedes said:
"Hey guys, here's a completely and totally baseless rumor that you should take into consideration because a bunch of people have whined about her on the forums. Please don't take into consideration that I'm pretty much a pariah and have no access to inside information like the rest of you, (and therefore my first sentence is contradicted by what I put in parentheses here)"
I MUST NOW SPREAD THIS GOSPEL TO EVERY TOPIC EVER!
The bottom line is if Spike is banned, something else will come along and take its place, and there will be a thread just like this one made saying how broken the new replacement card is.
Spike is not broken. It's very good, but so was Chain Throw + Absurd Strength. If you're so concerned about Spikes, run Seal of Cessations and negate the multiple enhance then Rejection or About Face the single copy, or better yet, just run Bitter Rivals and make them discard it.
The only thing I would suggest is done to Spike is to make its card pool clearing enhance Felicia Only. That way the multiple copies are not invincible. I think that would make the card 100% balanced.
GiantThighLover said:
The bottom line is if Spike is banned, something else will come along and take its place, and there will be a thread just like this one made saying how broken the new replacement card is.
Spike is not broken. It's very good, but so was Chain Throw + Absurd Strength. If you're so concerned about Spikes, run Seal of Cessations and negate the multiple enhance then Rejection or About Face the single copy, or better yet, just run Bitter Rivals and make them discard it.
The only thing I would suggest is done to Spike is to make its card pool clearing enhance Felicia Only. That way the multiple copies are not invincible. I think that would make the card 100% balanced.
From the moment I saw that card I wanted something on it (if not the whole card) to be Felicia only. Multiples being Felicia only is my opinion. I mean, do we not remember Rolling Storm needing an errata? Though, Storm was better (imo) than Spike, Spike still needs a "Felicia only" tag.
Shiros said:
GiantThighLover said:
The bottom line is if Spike is banned, something else will come along and take its place, and there will be a thread just like this one made saying how broken the new replacement card is.
Spike is not broken. It's very good, but so was Chain Throw + Absurd Strength. If you're so concerned about Spikes, run Seal of Cessations and negate the multiple enhance then Rejection or About Face the single copy, or better yet, just run Bitter Rivals and make them discard it.
The only thing I would suggest is done to Spike is to make its card pool clearing enhance Felicia Only. That way the multiple copies are not invincible. I think that would make the card 100% balanced.
From the moment I saw that card I wanted something on it (if not the whole card) to be Felicia only. Multiples being Felicia only is my opinion. I mean, do we not remember Rolling Storm needing an errata? Though, Storm was better (imo) than Spike, Spike still needs a "Felicia only" tag.
I disagree with you there. If they make the multiples Felicia only the card will be dead unless you're playing as Felicia (just like Rolling Storm). I think if you got rid of the multiple immunity effect it would be fine because you'd just have to partially block the first one with a card that discards multiples and bam, they're gone.
The people in my area had the same thoughtsabout Feline Spike as Giant Thigh Lover. If the e on it was Felicia only it would still be an amazing card that people would still want, but would bring down the power level back to earth. Mark of the Beast and Ichi No Tachi are two cards already seeing decent amounts of play.
GiantThighLover said:
Shiros said:
GiantThighLover said:
The bottom line is if Spike is banned, something else will come along and take its place, and there will be a thread just like this one made saying how broken the new replacement card is.
Spike is not broken. It's very good, but so was Chain Throw + Absurd Strength. If you're so concerned about Spikes, run Seal of Cessations and negate the multiple enhance then Rejection or About Face the single copy, or better yet, just run Bitter Rivals and make them discard it.
The only thing I would suggest is done to Spike is to make its card pool clearing enhance Felicia Only. That way the multiple copies are not invincible. I think that would make the card 100% balanced.
From the moment I saw that card I wanted something on it (if not the whole card) to be Felicia only. Multiples being Felicia only is my opinion. I mean, do we not remember Rolling Storm needing an errata? Though, Storm was better (imo) than Spike, Spike still needs a "Felicia only" tag.
I disagree with you there. If they make the multiples Felicia only the card will be dead unless you're playing as Felicia (just like Rolling Storm). I think if you got rid of the multiple immunity effect it would be fine because you'd just have to partially block the first one with a card that discards multiples and bam, they're gone.
Granted. I see your point, but, I'm the type of person that thinks finishers (especially the really good ones) need to be character only. Though it may not be best for a card, or best for the game, that's just my opinion on that stuff.
Yeah I feel the same way about spike's E: just make it felicia only.
Shiros said:
Granted. I see your point, but, I'm the type of person that thinks finishers (especially the really good ones) need to be character only. Though it may not be best for a card, or best for the game, that's just my opinion on that stuff.
I love character onlys and mourn their possible future disparition.
Homme Chapeau said:
Shiros said:
Granted. I see your point, but, I'm the type of person that thinks finishers (especially the really good ones) need to be character only. Though it may not be best for a card, or best for the game, that's just my opinion on that stuff.
I love character onlys and mourn their possible future disparition.
I love Character onlys too such as Orbital Blaze for Pyron, but I like non character only kill cards as well. If I was designing the game, I would do a 25%/75% split of character only to non character only. I don't like when they just do one or the other.
I still cant get behind this card, nor anything with a 1 check. Hell im not even convinced if this card said F: win the game i would think it can be broken witha 1 check....
Protoaddict said:
I still cant get behind this card, nor anything with a 1 check. Hell im not even convinced if this card said F: win the game i would think it can be broken witha 1 check....
In certain cases that's what it says.
Homme Chapeau said:
Archimedes said:
"Hey guys, here's a completely and totally baseless rumor that you should take into consideration because a bunch of people have whined about her on the forums. Please don't take into consideration that I'm pretty much a pariah and have no access to inside information like the rest of you, (and therefore my first sentence is contradicted by what I put in parentheses here)"
WHAT? A COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY BASELESS RUMOR THAT I SHOULD TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE HAVE WHINED ABOUT SOMETHING ON THE FORUMS FROM SOMEONE WHO WE BARELY HEAR ABOUT AND HASN'T BEEN RELEVANT TO ANY SORT OF INFORMATION EVER, WHO'S PONTIFICATION IS LAUGHABLE AT BEST, PITIFUL AT WORST?
I MUST NOW SPREAD THIS GOSPEL TO EVERY TOPIC EVER!
IT’S LIKE I BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY TAKE THINGS THAT I SAY INTO CONSIDERATION. I TOTALLY HAVEN’T SPOILED ANY GOOD WILL I HAVE ON THESE BOARDS FROM MY PREVIOUS ANTICS OR THE FACT THAT I HAVE NEVER BEEN CORRECT ABOUT ANY OF MY BASELESS PREDICTIONS.
HERE IS A WALL OF TEXT TRYING TO TALK DOWN TO ARCHIMEDES AND HATMAN, IT ALSO SERVES THE PURPOSE OF BACK PEDALING FROM MY PREVIOUS STATEMENTS.
Protoaddict said:
I still cant get behind this card, nor anything with a 1 check. Hell im not even convinced if this card said F: win the game i would think it can be broken witha 1 check....
A control of 1 does *not* make a card balanced. Don't be foolish.Question - if Enlightenment, To The Bone, Turbo, Kasumi Gaki, Kubi Ori, Injury Asset X, Revitalize, etc, had a 1-check, would that make them *any* more balanced? The answer is no. They're still way too strong.
I miss character-only cards that were pretty good. Dread Carnival, much as I hate to admit it, made Dee Jay less than crap. Nice, strong attack. We obviously don't need anything on the general level of Kasumi Suzaku ever being printed again, but something maybe 2 rungs below it on the Level of Awesome would be nice.
Remember the old SNK character-only attacks that were insane? Mega Slash, Buster Wolf, Surreptitious Punch of the Thundergod - attacks like these would be great for the format (and a big part of why I've gotten into Legacy lately).