AGoT DC Meta said:

Yes mate I know this but the original poster was looking for help in general and I was just making him aware that dupes wont save a character from a terminal effect.

Dont forget that the Targs have ways to take attachments, Meerenese Brothel springs to mind.

Not sure why Dennis is upset, I assumed by some of his other posts he has been typing in the rules thread that he was a new player to the game. I didnt mean to upset him with my reply.

Thanks

Lol i get it now. A well executed troll. /golfclap to mister joined the boards 12 days ago.

Ive actually been on a lot longer than 12 days but I rejoined as Endhill again as I could not get into my account due to not playing for a few monthsand forgetting my PS. My name was Endhill before and if you go into the past posts you will see me in here around 6 - 10 months ago'ish. There is no conspiracy.

Im not sure why your being funny with me, I assumed by some of your other posts in the rules thread that you were new to the game and as I know from experience new players can miss things like Terminal Effects.

So I hope that makes things better your end and apologies from me if your not a new player. Cant say anymore than that.

Anyway I think the original poster has enough to go on for a bit.

thanks.

Endhill said:

Sorry, but I am well aware that dupes do not prevent burn (I stated that earlier and I do not feel like quoting it) … that is precisely why I needed help with my Widow's Watch deck against burn. Does that make sense?

Thanks for all of your clarifications… I appreciate it

Maester Vyman? Preventing triggered effects will short circuit event-based burn. Same for the pots brienne.

flipperlord said:

You know it never ceases to amaze me the people coming on here asking for help and then arrogantly having a go at some one for trying to help. Just like what happened with Dennis when I pulled himabout it last week. It also seems a bit strange that you only registered your account 4 days ago and again it also seems strange that you sometimes sign off with the "sign" just like Dennis sometimes does as well.

Mykel The Vile said:

Don't hate on me, man… I use the so my texts do not appear to "flame," because I am not, but due to the nature of texting messages, it can be very easy to read negative emotion into something that someone texts. I wanted to draw attention to the fact that I understand how dupes work, and I am a relatively well rounded thrones player, who knows that it is difficult to combat targ burn effectively… Therefore, I wanted to know if someone has thought of some tactics that I have not thought of … I am not Dennis lol … Just because I started an account 4 days ago makes me strange? U started your account at some point and during the fourth day afterwards were you strange?

Sorry if I came off flaming

(that is not a sarcastic smile)

Having some cancel in the deck could help as well. There's always Paper Shield; even though it can't stop the worst things like Incinerate, it can stop junk like Forever Burning (which is gone for good if it's canceled, unless they can recur it out of the discard pile somehow, which unfortunately is a very real possibility) and Ambush From the Plains/To Be a Dragon. Paper Shield has the added benefit of being a solid cancel in general, almost any deck will have something worth using it on.

Another one to look at would be Fear Cuts Deeper Than Swords out of the LoW box. IIRC it cancels an event that chooses a Stark char as the only target, so it stops Incinerate and Forever Burning, though unfortunately it still can't beat Hatchlings' Feast. The only thing available to Stark for that is The Hand's Judgment I think, which could be a good option if you have a high-gold deck I suppose. Last but not least there's Maester Vyman, who is cool because he cancels triggered effects in general, not just events, so you can use him to stop stuff like King's Landing Assassin and Dragon Knight.

Kyle Condon and CoS Arya are characters to look at including in your deck as burn insurance, as short of a Nightmares they are very hard to get rid of (though sadly Arya will probably get discarded on TFtN if you can't buff her strength somehow) and they are useful claim soak in general. You could also try Cat o' the Canals instead of Arya, who I believe is untouchable by burn. She would be a particularly good choice if you're taking one of the suggestions above to use something like Needle due to her "only 1 weapon attachment" text.

I love two things about this thread:

1) Accusing someone of being Dennis is now officially an insult.

2) After said accusation of being Dennis is made, it is considered so terrible that people feel the need to defend themselves to set the record straight, lest silence be considered an admission of guilt.

Of the many goals I have set for myself in life, having my name added to the American Lexicon as a defamatory term was not necessarily one of them, yet I am proud to have achieved it nonetheless.

Ignoring all the trolling on this thread, I'm not sure that I believe Attachments are an appropriate counter to burn since Targ can discard them pretty easily and many of the newer burn cards (Incinerate, Selmy, Illyrio) don't care about them at all. Rusted Sword is a good counter though, if nothing else you always have 3x Seas in the deck for emergency Influence, wait til the Targ player uses the first burn card then "ambush" the RS to keep your STR up and provide the Attachment simultaneously. Kings Pavilion sounds great until you kneel someone in Challenges and lose the STR bonus and get hit by Incinerate.
I think a lot of "No Attachments" and "Immune to Events" characters is probably the ideal counter, but no House has enough of them yet (maybe Stark) to really counter the full power of burn.
I'm sure I'll get a lot of "well then why don't they win tourneys" responses, but I think Targ burn is a tier-1 deck at this point. The problem is with the player, not the build; any Targ player knows that forgetting to get that Forever Burning back can be a game-changer, but burn decks often have so many moving parts that by the time you've reached the end of a major tourney your brain is so fried that slight mistakes like that will cost you the win.
I think if more and more burn cards come out (especially OP burn like Incinerate) we'll see more and more players trying variations of the build until someone stomps through a tourney, posts their build, and a multitude of players netdeck it and show how powerful it really is.

dcdennis said:

What I love about this thread:

1) Dennis was told he must be a n00b based on his recent posts.

Most of us have known Dennis' dirty little secret for months now, I'm honestly not sure how people are just now realizing his noobocity.

Flames in a Burn thread.

Cool.

(See what i did there?)

Skowza- yes: targ can remove atatchments, but at the cost of some deck utiltity. I knwo severla targ players who only play (say) one Brothel, eschew Mad King's Legacy entirely and rely on Dragon Thieves or Tin Links almost wholly for atathcment removal. personally - I am nto comfortbale with jsut the Thieves and can't see not running more attachment hate. becuase if you are thin on rmeoval there - you really can be stopped in your tarcks by the one Lightbringer or Rusted Sword you come up against.

(Yes, yes - tin link is awesoem, but wahtever with the OP Maester stuff. It pretty much solves all rpobelms for all hosues so i don't see much point in disucssing that tech anymoree).

Stupid double posts

Oh - and the Risen ruling goes back farther than ten years: It had to come up in 2003 when Flight of Dragons hit the shelves.

I'm pretty sure it was in Sea of Storms - feels like I have been dealing with that Risen tech from the squids since that first summer. of burn

posting in a stag lord thread!

Stag Lord said:

Theres a few too many decent unique attachments these days for me to trust entirely in Thieves; Captain of the Iron Fleet is particularly troubling for Targ. I can see why some players sacrifice Attachment removal, but I think Brothels really are the way to go most of time.

Stag Lord said:

Agreed, lets just not even go there.

Noting quite many people drop Meereneese Brothels (especially in KotHH) is the very reason I mentioned the unique attachments. I'd even go so far as to suggest that people almost completely dismissing positive attachments because of Tin Link is giving Targaryen a jump in efficiency, since they need to worry less about them.

Meh, I guess I just don't like Tin Link.

Ok, I couldn't read all the threads, so I apologize if this has been said already.

The best way to beat Targ burn is simply to match its efficiency. I can't say that it's easy to do so, but that is the correct answer.

So a counter to Flame-Kissed is either making it not worth playing or having as good a card in your deck. For example, in a battle between Bear Island and Flame-Kissed, Bear Island will generally win. You need to create these types of situations in your deck-building. You have to make it so that either when they have the Flame-Kissed, the odds are that you have a big character that can't be burnt or that you have a bunch of weenies just not worth doing it to or you have a big card that's just as good. The weenies present it's own problem with Threat, but it's just a part of deck-building.

Then when you look at their locations like Meereen Tourney Grounds, the counters there are uniques and location removal. Frozen Solid, Price of War, Condemned by the Council, they all beat out Meereen Tourney Grounds AND have the added benefit of not being restricted to just cancelling that card. Putting in more uniques makes Meereen Tourney Grounds fairly weak AND is really easy to do.

TL:DR

Rather than looking for hard counters, look for the way to make your deck more efficient than the burn. If your opponent doesn't have influence because their locations are blank, you just out-efficiencied the burn. If you are destroying their influence providing locations, you're being more efficient than their burn. If you have a card like Bear Island or Longship Iron Victory, you're probably being just as efficient as their burn.