On the "what? No Jedi??! gripe

By IG-58, in Star Wars: Edge of the Empire Beta

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Doc, the Weasel said:

HappyDaze said:

If the three game lines are to represent a progression of capabilities, then wouldn't the middle of the set present the greatest variety? It seems like the place where you could have both experienced versions of whatever fits into EotE, fleshed out heroes of the Rebellion, and even struggling/immature versions of what might come in F&D (like Jedi). I would have preferred if they had started in the middle and then fleshed out the two extremes thus ensuring the widest array of application right from the start.

First, that's a big if that I don't think is self evident. I look at the three releases and see the 3 OT movies.

The other thing is that you are mistaking skill/power for variety. Playing Rebellion-centered games means playing soldiers of some sort fighting a war. That's a lot more narrowly focused game that EotE.

Nonsense. Everything you can do with Edge could be done as Rebel agents. The vast majority of the Rebel Alliance is made of irregulars, so saying 'soldiers of some sort' is misleading. It's the equivalent of saying that everyone in Edge is criminal scum of some sort, which is also misleading.

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HappyDaze said:

Nonsense. Everything you can do with Edge could be done as Rebel agents. The vast majority of the Rebel Alliance is made of irregulars, so saying 'soldiers of some sort' is misleading. It's the equivalent of saying that everyone in Edge is criminal scum of some sort, which is also misleading.

I think the main difference between the games will be a matter of focus. EotE the PCs' focus is generally on surviving and their own prosperity, typically with little more to rely on than themselves. Whether they're criminal scum or noble rogues will vary from group to group, or even from player to player in the same group.

For Rebels, the PCs' focus is going to be more on overthrowing the Empire, and will tend to have more support from the Rebel Alliance (even if it's just in the form of intel and basic supplies), but again how the PCs go about accomplishing that goal can vary from noble freedom fighters to borderline terrorists.

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Donovan Morningfire said:

I think the main difference between the games will be a matter of focus. EotE the PCs' focus is generally on surviving and their own prosperity, typically with little more to rely on than themselves. Whether they're criminal scum or noble rogues will vary from group to group, or even from player to player in the same group.

A focus on surviving with little more to rely on than themselves…

With that line of thinking, how can you argue that EotE isn't perfectly suited for the Jedi survivors of the period? Kenobi was the movie example, but the expanded universe has shown that there were far more - most with Jedi training but typically less than Kenobi's Jedi Master level - that were hiding out on the edge of the galaxy.

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HappyDaze said:

A focus on surviving with little more to rely on than themselves…

With that line of thinking, how can you argue that EotE isn't perfectly suited for the Jedi survivors of the period? Kenobi was the movie example, but the expanded universe has shown that there were far more - most with Jedi training but typically less than Kenobi's Jedi Master level - that were hiding out on the edge of the galaxy.

Easy. Edge of the Empire is about normal people trying to make it through the day. The Jedi aren't normal people, and have far more resources to call upon (namely the Force) than the average smuggler or mercenary. Also, if there's one thing a PC Jedi won't do, it's simply lay low and avoid Imperial notice. After all, they've got these incredible powers, and what's the point of having those powers if you aren't going to use them to serve something greater than yourself? Think Firefly rather than Andromeda

If anything, most Jedi PCs seem to go out of their way to attract Imperial attention, consequences be damned, particularly if it means doing the right thing. The ones that focus on purely selfish motivations and use their powers tend to wind up on the fast track to the Dark Side.

That's been my experience at least.

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Donovan Morningfire said:

HappyDaze said:

A focus on surviving with little more to rely on than themselves…

With that line of thinking, how can you argue that EotE isn't perfectly suited for the Jedi survivors of the period? Kenobi was the movie example, but the expanded universe has shown that there were far more - most with Jedi training but typically less than Kenobi's Jedi Master level - that were hiding out on the edge of the galaxy.

Easy. Edge of the Empire is about normal people trying to make it through the day. The Jedi aren't normal people, and have far more resources to call upon (namely the Force) than the average smuggler or mercenary. Also, if there's one thing a PC Jedi won't do, it's simply lay low and avoid Imperial notice. After all, they've got these incredible powers, and what's the point of having those powers if you aren't going to use them to serve something greater than yourself? Think Firefly rather than Andromeda

If anything, most Jedi PCs seem to go out of their way to attract Imperial attention, consequences be damned, particularly if it means doing the right thing. The ones that focus on purely selfish motivations and use their powers tend to wind up on the fast track to the Dark Side.

That's been my experience at least.

Yeah, except you are forgetting about those guys that the Emperor gave permission to go around and kill any Force users that can't be corrupted. And even if you defeat them, you still have that guy with the breathing and anger problems riding around the galaxy.

You are correct in thinking Firefly, but it also applies to Jedi as well.

Unless you enjoy having the shortest campaign in yet.

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Sarone said:

You are correct in thinking Firefly, but it also applies to Jedi as well.

Again, this all comes down to how one defines the term "Jedi."

But that's an old debate, and there's really not much to be gained by re-hashing it yet again for the uptenth time.