Specifically, can you put a Compact + Extra Grip upgrade on a long-las - and hence get a "smaller one-handed long-las" that get the accuracy damage benefit of the long-las?

and I suppose you'd like to dual wield these as well yes?

Darth Smeg said:

Of course - and aim + independent targeting

Doesn't compact reduce range by half? Kind of defeats the purpose of a long-las.

What he wants is to get the extra damage from Accurate weapons.

So compact long-las with pistol grips get reduced range, but are still good compared to pistols. And if the get to keep their additional d10s when aimed, they become VERY good "pistols".

Of course, the extra damage from Aimed shots reflect snipers picking weak spots on their targets, placing their shots just between armour plates for maximum effect, etc. But one-handing a sniper rifle… nah.

Then there is the problem of Aim and shooting multiple weapons. Can you really Aim with both of them at the same time? And then use Independent targeting to shoot at different targets? I'd say that unless you are using the Dual Shot Talent, you can't.

Darth Smeg said:

So exactly where in the rules does it say that I can't do just what you described…

Darth Smeg said:

Darth Smeg said:

So exactly where in the rules does it say that I can't do just what you described…

Why does this post remind me of that Munchkin card game? I liked it btw because it was humorous and you couldn't really be serious about the game.

You can do it as the rules don't say no. But ask GM first and try to be attune to the warhammer 40K universe and ask yourself if it is really a so great idea.

If you think it is then I'm glad not to be your GM to tell you: NO!

But if your GM is OK with it so be it, it is your game not mine.

Have fun and try to play cyberpunk if you want big guns and heavy damage or get on with deathwatch, good game also.

The Needle Pistol has Accurate and Toxic. Why not go with that? Yes yes yes, I know the compacted extra gripped long las has more ammo, slightly longer range, more damage and pen, bigger clip, costs less, and is easier to acquire, but….. The Needle Pistol has Toxic. *Nudge nudge* Yea?………..

I see your point.

@Nameless2all: I think the whole idea is to have the extra damage from the Accurate quality on the compact + extra hand grim + long las. So when he aims he can have up to 2 extra dice of damage from a good aimed shot. Because compact doesn't say that it takes away the weapon being basic, so you don't lose the extra damage from the basic accurate weapons as you do with pistol accurate weapons.

Alas, I totally wiffed the part where is only Basic Weapons get the d10 extra damage with Accurate trait. But anyhoot, my above statement is still valid, even though it's missing the climatic point of this topic.

I'm pretty sure the part that prevents what the OP is trying to do is covered by the Accurate quality. It forces the user to either be doing a Standard Attack/Called Shot (I think, don't have my book with me).

Since firing with two weapons uses neither of these actions, you don't benefit from the Accurate damage bonus.

mosern said:

The Rule of Cool.

Interrogator Z

Pistol grip doesn't work on long-las's. They're too awkward and unwieldy to be used in one hand. So even with a pistol grip you'd still suffer -20 to hit.

If you want an Accurate pistol so badly, get a MK IV, or a Dueling Las.

Boss Gitsmasha said:

Where does it say you can't use pistol grips with a long las? I believe the upgrade says any basic weapon…

But he doesn't want an Accurate Pistol, he want to fire a Basic Accurate weapon (with the extra damage from Aim) with one hand …

Thanks you Darth Smeg, I mention that earlier and I don't think anyone read what I said.

Darth Smeg said:

In that case, he's a powergamer, and should feel ashamed of himself.

Boss Gitsmasha said:

Well, perhaps just a little

But it's the kinda shame you feel when you watch weird deviant xeno-porn, and you know that you really shouldn't, but you also know that everyone is doing it.

"Everyone is doing it". That's your best excuse.

Don't give in to peer pressure, children. Just say "no".

Just use a Command Laspistol instead.

Or a Khayer-Addin Dueling Las.

Or, if you wanna go all out, an Archeotech Laspistol.

You're missing the point . Those are Pistol-class weapons. A Long Las, even a Compact one, i a Basic-class weapon.

Basic weapons gain extra damge on aimed shots if they have the Accurate quality. Pistols do not.

I think that it is a creative use of the rules and would allow it if I were GM. To get the extra damage while using two of them they have to use one turn to aim and a second to fire both. That is 2 shots every other round. Not that broken given that they could just half aim and single shot every round if they wanted to and would still be getting the same damage per 2 rounds. In fact i would rather they dual wield because they make the shots at +10 (+20 aim, +10 accurate, -20 pistol grip) rather than +20 (+10 aim, +10 accurate).

But no sane tech priest will craft the gun and I would require them to go to hell and back to get the weapon(s).

This may not apply, as it is coming from the OW rules beta (but my only access to any of the 40k RPG line rules from where I am), but:

"When firing a single shot from a single Basic weapon with the Accurate quality…"

Therefore, at least in future rules, this issue has been resolved.

Almost. There are reasons for wanting to do this without dual-wielding. If you only have one hand, for example….