Why is it so hard to simply expect that the company making the game would also simultaneously make the dice? Why is that such an alien expectation to you? I really really don't get it. In what other industry, when dealing with what other product would this ever be acceptable?

And I am impressed that you wrote such an app. If you've a mind to share it, I would certainly be appreciative.

In the meantime, I will continue to raise this concern.

When the game is out of beta, the dice will be readily available. If during the corse of the beta they decide to change the faces of the dice to include more or less success, they would have to print another batch of custom dice and all the beta dice would be worthless.

I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. If you don't want to use the stickers order some blank dice from paizo and use a sharpy to draw on them. Man I'm good at solving your problems

LostPhoenix said:

*laughs* so you can accept the concept of a Beta GAME but not Beta DICE? What do you think is gonna happen to the Beta Copies when the real game comes out? Oh, I am sure there will be people out there who keep it and attempt to stick in the updates, but most people - if they are honest - will lovingly place the thing on a shelf and then touch it only to remember when they participated in making the finished game the smash hit I am sure it will be. And apparently THAT's cool, but having useless dice isn't? You crack me up.

And how in the name of God, am I making a mountain out of a molehill? Yes, yes yes yes yes, for a number of people there are work-arounds, jury-rigs, kiy-bashes, fiddle-dy-boops and so forth to allow people to kinda sorta sorta kinda have dice. But I will say it again, and again, and again:

1) FFG wants us to test this. We paid to test it. They want our feedback.
2) It is incumbent upon the company to make it possible to do so with as little BS as possible. That means they must furnish dice. Them. Not Paizo or Chessex or my arts and crafts kit, or Walmart or McDonalds or whatever all. THEM! (and yes, obviously they have to work through a manufacturer, but I think my point is evident all the same).

We need dice. We need them yesterday. Waiting until Christmas for the B-Box isn't good enough. Expecting us to build our own isn't good enough. Releasing an electronic program to a device less than 40% of people currently at the tables have isn't good enough.

You're not solving my problem mate, because there are only two acceptable solutions. 1) They make dice well before Christmas and release them well before Christmas OR 2) They make the Dice Roller App usable on Windows machines.

And I will bang that drum until I get dice and it doesn't matter anymore. And God will it ever feel good to stop when the time comes.

So we can look forward to many more posts in every thread on the boards about how the dice weren't released yet so FFG needs to release them a month ago? Sounds like a well reasoned grass roots movement. Is there a forum emoticon for banging a drum?

We've given you plenty of ways to test, and the rulebook even has a chart to translate regular dice into the special dice. It seems to me you just like to complain. If dice are going to be such an issue, then maybe you should just wait for the official release of the game. Put your copy of the beta on eBay. Someone who is okay with using home made or stickered dice will gladly pick it up and actually provide useful feedback to this community.

Yeah, yer right. I'd much rather complain than actually play the game I paid for. Mmm-hmm. There's logic for you.

And I would LOVE to provide useful feedback to the community. That IS after all WHAT I BOUGHT THE BETA FOR!!

Pity nobody thought dice were important too.

Certainly a pity you don't.

But, again, until it's fixed, I will complain.

'Cuz Lord knows that's what I love to do….

I have perfectly working dice from the stickers in the back of the book. I am also compentent enough to use the excel and perl solutions provided here.

LostPhoenix said:

Umm, no. A few things:

1) the stickers provided are small, and my fingers large, thus their application to dice in a manner not sloppy as hell is difficult for me.

2) I do not (unlike many gamers) have a bucket of dice to choose from to so modify. I do have some dice, but they are a set I bought from Chessex that I consider to be roughly analogous to "the good silverware" and won't mess them up by applying stickers to them. And if I am gonna go back to my FLGS to buy some dice that are not "the good silverware", (and even the reject dice won't be cheap per se) why should I in essence now have to shell out TWICE for new dice, once to get some dice for the stickers, and once when the company finally gets around to producing dice that they convince you to buy a whole BOX of stuff to obtain.

3) I already had a few of my gamers question whether or not "stickered" dice are random, or as random as their usual numeric ones. Yes, dice religions are silly, but they exist, and a game official ignores them at his peril.

4) on my planet, when someone asks you to do something, they give you the tools needed to do it. The PROPER tools. Particularly if you've PAID for he privilege.

Sorry, but waiting until Christmas is not good enough.

I bolded question 3, because it stuck out for me, any pre inked dice (including the dice for this game, when they become available) are not going to be as random as they should, due to the manufacturing process. I and my players have known this for some years, but it wasn't until I was putting the dice stickers on my EotE dice did I realise just how wonky they are, with some dice having extremely noticeable curved in sides, effectively any time a player picks up his lucky die (the D20 that always rolls high) he is using a weighted die and cheating.