but only the scale FFG uses can be called the official and correct scale within the Star Wars universe.

Yeah what FFG used is the canon sizes, and is the only one that matters. Because even if it isn't quite the same as what was in the movies, it is the sizes that they were told to use, and it's not like FFG could of told LFL they were going to use whatever size they wanted.

There are school children who weren't born when this thread was made.

I was under the impression that these were scale miniature according to the in data provided by their research and approved by LFL.

So I love it and, for me at least, they are in scale with each others. This includes the HWK-290 and A-Wing too.

That is not dead which may eternal lie..

But with strange eons, even this thread may die.

There are school children who weren't born when this thread was made.

Like...actually, though o_O

There are school children who weren't born when this thread was made.

Saw this and went "haha." Then I stopped to think about it.

Like...actually, though o_O

They would have to be pre-K however as they would only be 4 yo.

Glad to see this necro'd with relevant data, and not a certain-ship-which-shall-not-be-named....

I always heard that the Original Falcon and Firespray models were oversized slightly due to manufacturing concerns, but I've never seen a source for this. Does anyone have anything on this myth? Or is it fact?

How exactly was this thread found? I mean, its 4 years old and buried under newer stuff...

Also, who among us actually cares about exact scale. If the Millennium Falcon is 'larger than life' by a millimeter, does it matter?

There's also the fact that TIEs have minimal lifesupport (notice TIE pilots always wear full spacesuits)

This was a stylistic choice done to keep the TIE pilots as faceless bad guys, and stay in stylistic continuity with the Storm Troopers.

In theory, everybody should have had enclosed helmets. Especially if Biggs is giving Porkins the advice to "Eject!" lol.

There's also the fact that TIEs have minimal lifesupport (notice TIE pilots always wear full spacesuits)

This was a stylistic choice done to keep the TIE pilots as faceless bad guys, and stay in stylistic continuity with the Storm Troopers.

In theory, everybody should have had enclosed helmets. Especially if Biggs is giving Porkins the advice to "Eject!" lol.

Nope, Biggs just hated Porkins.

There are school children who weren't born when this thread was made.

HA! My daughter was born in 2013 so this thread is older than her.

<sets entire collection on fire-never loves again>

Most interesting thing about this thread is which of the original posters are still active and which are not.

How exactly was this thread found? I mean, its 4 years old and buried under newer stuff...

Also, who among us actually cares about exact scale. If the Millennium Falcon is 'larger than life' by a millimeter, does it matter?

FFG made such a big stink about true scale.

Then, by Wave 2, they had thrown it out the window. The A-Wing is almost two times larger than it should be. The K-Wing is grossly undersized (compare it's top bubble turret to that of the VCX, for instance). The Hound's Tooth is supposed to carry an internal Z-95 despite being vastly too narrow for said Z-95, even with clipped wings, to fit inside. The Upsilon looks so underscaled I probably won't be able to fly it without somehow first finding a replacement model. Aside from the wings, the whole thing looks to be about half the total volume of a Lambda-class shuttle, despite that the Upsilon should be massive compared to it.

Scale was a nice Wave 1 feature, but it didn't last long. Just ironic that FFG spent so much effort during initial release talking up true scale, and then promptly never mentioned scale again as they quickly started sliding on it with future ships.

*citation needed

The A-Wing is exactly the correct size per the canon measurements, and since FFG has to do what LFL says, that is the only measurements that matter.

But I'm not getting sucked into another "artist intent vs canon" debate so I'm not going to bother with this thread... The above statement is all that needs to be said on the matter.

*citation needed

Not really. Hold a Z-95 up to a YV-666 . Tell me how it's supposed to sit internally inside...even without the wings the Z's fuselage is too thick. Clearly one is too large or the other too small.

Look at the dorsal bubble turret on a K-Wing and the VCX-100 . You could fit about ten K-Wing bubbles into the VCX-100 bubble. This would mean that even if the K-Wing dorsal gunner is literally just a jawa sticking merely its head into the bubble, the VCX gunner would still feel like Pauly Shore in his own personal biodome (PS, in Rebels we see characters sitting in that bubble turret and it's not all that spacious, meaning the K-Wing is radically undersized). You can also look at the K-Wing ventral bubble sponson, which would need to house an entire human being sitting in it. Uhhh...yea right.

Or check out this Prince Harry in an Episode 8 A-Wing cockpit, which is pretty close to the RotJ A-Wing cockpit shots we see:

So, the A-Wing cockpit is a pretty tight fit for a human. Yet, the FFG model has a cockpit that is 150% as wide and twice as tall as an X-Wing cockpit. But we know from shots in Episodes IV-VII that the X-Wing cockpits are more spacious than A-Wing cockpits, in no small part because they are full of many more gizmos and whistles, like the targeting computers. So the X-Wing cockpits should be larger than the A-Wing cockpits. Also, while you're holding that A-Wing model next to a T-65 model, note that the A-Wing pilot would have a shoulder span nearly as wide and broad as the entire T65 fuselage, but from many scenes of watching characters like Poe and Luke climb into and sit in their X-Wings, we know this is not the case.

Official numbers and mm conversions are one thing, but a lot of this stuff is so egregious simple eyeballs can see it.

The A-Wing is exactly the correct size per the canon measurements, and since FFG has to do what LFL says, that is the only measurements that matter.

But I'm not getting sucked into another "artist intent vs canon" debate so I'm not going to bother with this thread... The above statement is all that needs to be said on the matter.

Yes, and as has been shown time and time again, if this is the case than LFL's canon measurements are simply wrong. Just look at the picture posted above of Prince Harry in an A-Wing (or any RotJ scenes showing how cramped an A-Wing cockpit is). Now hold your "in scale" FFG A-Wing mini up to a T-65 and visualize that A-Wing pilot standing next to that T-65. As others have shown with much greater detail, calculation, and attention, the only way the LFL numbers work for A-Wings are if all of the A-Wing pilots we see in the films are actually a species of 12 foot tall giant (but we know this is not the case since we see some sitting in the Home One briefing room).

Obviously FFG has to hold to whatever LFL gives them. This does not mean LFL's numbers are correct.

I love that you argue scale and use a shot that already had been proven to be different size then then the old movie models even a different layout of engines/cockpit. A folded up Z could easily hide in side the 666, and seeing as we have canon sources to say it was heavily modified, it's very possible. The turret bubbles for the ghost are actually extremely roomie for their occupancy compared to some WW2 air craft. So again that line of logic fails as well. A lot of things you are using to argue are your feelings, not provable fact.

The A-Wing is exactly the correct size per the canon measurements, and since FFG has to do what LFL says, that is the only measurements that matter.

But I'm not getting sucked into another "artist intent vs canon" debate so I'm not going to bother with this thread... The above statement is all that needs to be said on the matter.

In was under the impression that much of the confusion relating to the scale of the A-Wing was due to the pilot model.

i.e the model was built to 1/16 scale but they used a 1/8 scale pilot model - or something like that

I love that you argue scale and use a shot that already had been proven to be different size then then the old movie models even a different layout of engines/cockpit. A folded up Z could easily hide in side the 666, and seeing as we have canon sources to say it was heavily modified, it's very possible. The turret bubbles for the ghost are actually extremely roomie for their occupancy compared to some WW2 air craft. So again that line of logic fails as well. A lot of things you are using to argue are your feelings, not provable fact.

What kind of half-assed response is this?

Regarding the A-Wing, y ou can still use the RotJ A-Wing cockpit shots, and the RotJ hangar bay shots that show A-Wings sitting in hangar bays next to other vessels. They're not very far off at all from the Episode 8 model here, even if the new A-Wings are slight modifications from their Galactic War predecessors.

Regarding the K-Wing , just hold that front ventral ball sponson turret next to the A-Wing cockpit. Seriously, you can fit like five ball sponsons into the A-Wing cockpit's bubble. And the A-Wing cockpit bubble only needs to hold the top half of its humanoid pilot, while the ball sponson needs to hold an entire goddamn human being sitting in it. Clearly the K-Wing is way off, unless you're telling me that every K-Wing ball-turret gunner was a Yoda or a Salacious Crumb kinda critter.

Regarding the YV-666 , even if you could squeeze a wingless Z (just the fuselage and engines) into the YV-666, that is still darn near close to the entire width of the YV. This would mean the YV would have almost paper thin walls. Let alone that the model doesn't show any hangar doors anywhere to be found, but this is because that long narrow ovular opening on the back is supposed to be the hangar bay for the Pup according to most sources. But clearly on the YV-666 model you could barely squeeze a laser tip of the Z=95 into it.

I'm sorry my "eyeballs" and "common sense" are mere feeling and can't hold up your "provable facts" of "here's the LFL numbers!" As if LFL has sat down and built life-size (or even miniaturized) models of all of these things for people to use. FFG is one of the very few sources to actually produce any of these things as actual physical models in scale with one another, LFL never has. So if issues with the scale numbers are going to crop up anywhere, we'd expect it to be in the physical manifestation of FFG's models. Which is precisely what we see when we start looking at them side-by-side and using basic inference and extrapolation.

Fanboi "Scale Apologists" got no arguments except " the things which look absurd and ridiculous and impossible aren't because LFL has given us magic numbers from on high and scribed them onto these two sacred stone tablets. All hail the numbers ." When did this become a MathWing discussion? Let's not forget for just about every ship in the LFL canon, over the years they've existed with multiple conflicting measurements. No reason to assume any given new number is "correct" either.

*citation needed

Not really. Hold a Z-95 up to a YV-666 . Tell me how it's supposed to sit internally inside...even without the wings the Z's fuselage is too thick. Clearly one is too large or the other too small.

The original dimensions for the YV-666 -- which accounted for a custom Z-95 to fit inside it -- were thrown out when the Clone Wars TV series was made. The YV-666 was included in that TV series at a much smaller scale than previous sources stated. But since Clone Wars is canon and those other sources are not, FFG has to go with the new, smaller size. As far as I'm aware, there is no canon source detailing the existence of the Nashtah Pup as a Z-95 that fits inside the Hound's Tooth ; that appears to be Legends material at this point. But FFG, being the Legends/EU fans that they are, gave us the Hound's Tooth title with the Nashtah Pup ship as a nod to the old Hound's Tooth that many of us loved.

No reason to assume any given new number is "correct" either.

Correct is what LFL says is correct, that's really the only thing that needs to be said, especially considering the game. As you admitted, FFG had to use LFL's canon numbers. So at this point that is the only thing that needs to be said.

If you don't think LFL's numbers are correct then take it up with them, because what you consider to be correct doesn't matter.

How exactly was this thread found? I mean, its 4 years old and buried under newer stuff...

Also, who among us actually cares about exact scale. If the Millennium Falcon is 'larger than life' by a millimeter, does it matter?

I did a search on model scale and this thread popped up. Then, I noticed that with the resurgence in interest in old videos that some of them had been newly posted - so I put up the link to the video being referred to in this thread.

I was doing the scale model search trying to get info on the ideas posted in other threads about trying to select a scale for mixing land and space games. 1/270 allows for using 6 mm figurines - as long as they are actually made to that scale. (I like that scale, by the way)

The real test is being referred to in most of the posts here. Do the cockpits make sense when you put a human sized figure in them! Then, are the larger ships sensible when compared to the ships that you can size to those cockpits....

Obviously, there is a problem with some of the allegedly 'true scale' models.