Brienne + Kill events

By tibs3688, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

I had this issue with an opponent earlier. After winning a challenge with Brienne, my opponent claimed that he could still use a save effect against No Quarter because the challenge has already resolved when No Quarter is played. My understanding is that responses are played during the same action window as the challenge itself takes place, meaning that Brienne would prevent him from triggering his saves even against No Quarter. Is this correct?

Yes and prevents saves from dupes and things too

tibs3688 said:

I had this issue with an opponent earlier. After winning a challenge with Brienne, my opponent claimed that he could still use a save effect against No Quarter because the challenge has already resolved when No Quarter is played. My understanding is that responses are played during the same action window as the challenge itself takes place, meaning that Brienne would prevent him from triggering his saves even against No Quarter. Is this correct?

If they still insist that Brienne is no longer participating in the challenge after it resolves and the winner is determined, ask them how Deadly works. If Brienne is no longr participating after the challenge resolves and the winner is determined, then no character is participating after the challenge resolves and the winner is determined. Since Deadly kills a defending character after the challenge resolves, there would NEVER be a legal target for Deadly if their interpretation on when Brienne is no longer participating were true.

Thanks for the answers! If someone raises this issue again, though, I think I'm just going to link them to this topic lol

Can an opponent use Lethal Counterattack during a challenge in which my Brienne is participating in? To my understanding, triggered effects work as 'responses' to framework actions; Lethal Counterattack is just a 'challenge' phase event without a specific response to anything.

Generally, a triggered effect is anything that starts with a Bold: keyword, so Lethal Counterattack certainly qualifies. (It's any effect that requires a player to choose to use.)

While not universally true the general rule of thumb i go by is that if Brienne is participating the player on the receiving end gets to do nothing, zip, nadda etc. The lady of tarth has won me more then a few games and is one of my metas most universally loathed cards (unless your using her, then she is 10/10)

radiskull said:

Generally, a triggered effect is anything that starts with a Bold: keyword, so Lethal Counterattack certainly qualifies. (It's any effect that requires a player to choose to use.)

So something like Bronn's 'counter-deadly' (LotR) will still work against Brienne, since it doesn't have a bold word in front if it. In which case, Bronn is very mean…

Some1new said:

So something like Bronn's 'counter-deadly' (LotR) will still work against Brienne, since it doesn't have a bold word in front if it. In which case, Bronn is very mean…

But yeah, that's the idea.

I'm not 100% sure, but she prevents the siege agenda and ambush right (I know i read somewhere that ambush it's a trigger non cancelable effect)

Francisco G. said:

I'm not 100% sure, but she prevents the siege agenda and ambush right (I know i read somewhere that ambush it's a trigger non cancelable effect)

Yes sir. Preventing the trigger of an effect is entirely different than canceling the effect once it is triggered. She prevents The Maester's Path from triggering as well.

Yes, she does. She doesn't cancel, she prevents players from triggering effects in the first place. That's why I love her and hate her at the same time (depending which side of the board she is on lengua.gif )

Oh i know she doesn't cancel….the part i wasn't sure was that ambush was a trigger effect…..well i was sure, my friends that complained were not xD