I have 2 Cat in my hand, ¿can i play both to defend for an intrige challenge and put one how a copy of the first cat?

thanks.

No you can only play one catelyn from your hand because she is unique.

Duplicates can only be played during marshalling after you have paid the gold cost for the first card.

Dustymcfly said:

So yes, you can use a "put into play" effect to duplicate a unique card. You can trigger the effect on a second copy of Catelyn to put it into play on the first copy. However, this is not going to do you a whole lot of good. She wouldn't be participating in the challenge twice. It doesn't double her STR in the challenge. And you cannot save her when her effect returns her to hand at the end of the phase. Sort of burning the dupe in a later military claim, you will gain nothing by putting Catelyn into play as a defender, then immediately duping her with a second copy.

Sorry ktom I am confused is this a rule in the errata cause it specifically states in the core rulebook under duplicates pg. 19 " If you have a duplicate of a unique card in your hand but you already control and own a version of that card currently in play, you may attach the dupe from your hand to the unique card in play, for no gold cost, during the marshalling phase. Blah blah blah……" If this is incorrect still I would love for you to post the page in errata that this is on, cause my wife plays stark as well and yes even though it does no good for future use, it is good against deadly, for example, I have stannis' cavalry in play and they have no cards on board and catelyn in hand, I swing for power with cavalry and they play cat from hand well cat dies from deadly ( let me know if this is incorrect as well plz ) but if you could play the dupe then it would save her and you would be able to return her to your hand and play her again when you need to for she is in discard not dead.

McFly

(3.27) Unique Cards and Changing Control
You may not play, put into play, or take control
of a unique card already in play that you own
or control (except for putting a duplicate on
a card that you own and control) , or that is in
your dead pile.

Thus you cannot take control of a unique
character that you already have in play. You
cannot play a unique card if your opponent has
taken control of another copy of that unique
card that you own.

Duplicates can only be played or put into pla y
on cards you own and control.

And if that still leaves any doubt, take a look at p. 25 of the FAQ:

If I bring Meera Reed (Tourney for the Hand
F2) out of Shadows as a duplicate for the
version I already have in play, does her "Then"
effect still blank a card?

No. Meera Reed leaves shadows and
immediately becomes a duplicate . Duplicates
have no text, titles, or traits. Meera Reed by
title does not specifically enter play so the
"Then" effect does not resolve.

(Coming out of Shadows is a type of "put into play" effect. The entry here is thus describing what happens when a copy of a unique card is "put into play" by a card effect - that is, it "immediately becomes a duplicate."

ktom said:

Or if she would die to Deadly in the challenge.

Yes, thanks ktom, i hate deadly surprisessss…heheehhe

Doesn't the fact that she is self-referential make this not work? The card being referred to, Character: Catelyn Stark, does not exist and therefore can't be participating in the challenge. Or more accurately, Dupes don't contribute strength to a challenge and the Catelyn Stark that became a dupe does not refer directly to the Catelyn Stark in play, due to the self-referential thing.

Also, how does the timing of the return to hand portion work? Does the character Catelyn return to hand before the dupe catelyn? Could the dupe Catelyn even be returned to hand, per the self-referential?

mdc273 said:

mdc273 said:

I was thinking along the lines drop Catelyn 1 to defend Intrigue. Drop Catelyn 2 to defend Power. It shouldn't work I assume.

That wouldn't work mdc, because since Cat is already in play the 2nd one you play (and 3rd for that matter) would immediately attach to her as a duplicate. You wouldn't get the rest of the effect.

You could trigger Catelyn #2 in an attempt to enter play as a defender, even though Catelyn #1 is not currently defending. However, as Sloth says, Catelyn #2 will enter play as a dupe on Catelyn #1. It will never be a defender, and it will not pull Catelyn #1 into the challenge.