Hey there all. Dusty here with another game changing question. Pretty sure I am correct on this one as well.

So once again playing at AGoT game night in Florida, and I came across a situation that may have very well cost me the game. So my opponent was playing a house Tully deck against my core + expansion Baratheon deck ( knights ), the game got heated really quick as he and I got a lot of characters on the board fast, this is all besides the point of which is,

I declared a challenge, at which point i had Ser Guyard Morrigen on the board which states, Baratheon Lord characters you control gain stealth, He had a The Blackfish on the board with quite a few attachments on it which included Crown of Winter that gave it, attached character is immune to opponents character abilities. ( it might have just been any character abilities but once again besides the point ). So I declared my attackers, ( mostly Lords ) asked for a response and continued on for stealthing his characters. Of course his Blackfish was like 6 to 8 strength if I remember correctly. So of course I would want to stealth him, and he goes "Oh, you can't stealth him.", so I look at all of the attachments and say, " Well he doesn't have stealth, So yes I can." at which point he explains to me that Blackfish is immune to opponents character abilities and that is why he can't be stealthed because Ser Guyard Morrigen has " Given " my Lord the keyword.

So in the case that you may not understand what my question is, here it is.

Are Immune to Character ability Characters ( Or characters that have been givin Immunity ) Immune to being stealthed by Lords that have been given stealth by Ser Guyard Morrigen.

Thanks in Advance to all who reply,

McFly

The faq helps answer this situation directly under 3.19

Cards with immunity are immune only to effects that target them directly. The Blackfish is not the target of Guyards ability, so he can be stealthed. It dosent matter how your character gets stealth in this example, only that he has it.

I appreciate your reply Underworld as I too was going through the errata after i asked this question, and it is also not the first time I have encountered the problem ( not that I didn't need it answered ). I was just convinced by a sore loser that this was the case, and I tried to defend my honor by explaining to him that exact point in the errata which I had read many times. Most of all I needed to hear from someone else that I just am not going crazy, and that I did in fact know what I was talking about. Thank you soooo much for replying, I will be asking for a win when I go to play again ( or at least a draw ), and if not I will ask for a better tournament organizer, or do my part as a volunteer and do it myself I may not know word for word the rules or errata but I am not an idiot as most people make me feel. Thanks again,

McFly

So…. by their reasoning, since CS-Renly is immune to opponent's character abilities, too, if he is attacking or defending all of their opposing "House Tully" characters lose their +1 STR from Hoster Tully?

Whatever reasoning they come up with that their characters get the +1 STR will apply equally to bypassing Blackfish with "gained" stealth.

Did you see the movie "Demolition Man"? The bad guy put a psychological block on Wesley Snipes so that Wesley couldn't hurt him. Whenever Wesley Snipes pointed a gun at the guy, he couldn't make himself pull the trigger. The bad guy was effectively "immune to Wesley Snipes." But that didn't stop Wesley Snipes from tossing his gun to another guy and saying "you shoot him." Bang.

That's what is going on here. Guyard is tossing his stealth to the Lord character and saying "you shoot him."

ktom said:

An excellent working example. A terrible film

Underworld40k said:

"Is it cool in here, or is it just me?"

ktom said:

Ktom I don't understand what your saying, are you being sarcastic, but in case you might have misread here. Crown of winter states that attached character gets +2 and immune to opponents character abilities, not just character abilities, on top of that the lords I were using were Robert Baratheon ( kots ), Ser Cortnay Penrose, and Ser Davos Seaworth ( CS ), not Renly at all, either way CS Renly is only immune to opponents character abilitys so he would still gain stealth. Just trying to make sure you werent confused. I know your not an idiot your my most read rules interpreter.

McFly

Ktom was giving an example of a situation which is essentially asking the same question you are, but doing so in a way that illustrates how wrong the "can't get stealth" idea is.

ahhh I see now. He said by their reasoning meaning my opponent.

I may have missed it, but has it been mentioned that Stealth is NOT a character ability?

No nobody had said that, but I do already know that, and I also explained that to my opponent and he insisted I was wrong. It's good though for someone else to read if they come across the problem.

That being said, Don't ever let anyone talk you into believing their right CHECK THE RULEBOOK OR ERRATA!!!!

radiskull said:

This was my thought, too. But I suppose it's worthwhile for your opponent to learn how he's wrong about all of these rules.

-Istaril said:

You'd be surprised how many people suddenly understand the rules when they are on the receiving end of the beat-down.

ktom said:

It's funny you should say that seeing as I was the one getting beaten down but slowly taking control. To me it seems like people who are going to lose to a somewhat new player, love to lie about the rules as if your a total noob and just started learning that day. I have only been playing a month and a half, and not to boast, I am pretty sure I understand the rules better than some of the more experienced players. It also seems like most people I have played with recently don't care to take the time and make sure they are correct. This guy I played said he made the nationals or whatever and I will leave it up to your opinion if this was the truth or not, cause I am pretty sure you would come across some kind of situation like this deadly, stealth and what have you in an official run tourny.

McFly

Well, seeing as all it takes to "make" nationals is to show up… I believe him.

That makes me wonder exactly how many rules your opponent actually does not know are correct.

I've heard some real whoppers about folks on OCTGN who clearly don't know the rules but are quite confident in what they think is correct.

Bomb said:

Yeah this seems to happen quite a lot. I think so far I have been wrong about two questions, 1 about the mutual plot cards and 1 about the put into play cat. Apperently you can put cat into play and also play her as a dupe if you have another one in your hand. But either way like I said before, Do not take your opponents word on a ruling CHECK TE RULEBOOK AND ERRATA YOURSELF, or ask all the lovely people on the forums

Bomb said:

Heh, octgn has generated my 3 topics in here in the past couple days alone.