Apologies for an old topic, but I can't find our old discussion, maybe it was on the old message boards.

Scenario: My Jeyne Westerling attacks (STR 1). Opponent defends with Lady Genna (STR 2). I have Walder Frey in play (Deadly. After at least 1 defender is declared during a challenge,kneel Walder Frey to have him participate on the side that is currently winning the challenge.)

Walder Frey now participates in the challenge on my opponent's side, and my opponent wins the challenge.

Walder is deadly. According to the rulebook (p. 20), deadly is not based on "side," but on control. Since Walder is deadly and neither Jeyne nor Genna are deadly, my opponent must now kill for deadly.

Am I correct?

You are correct, but remember that your opponent chooses and kills a defending character for Deadly. Doesn't say anything about "control" there.

So unless your opponent is thinking on some completely foreign plane of reality, they're going to choose WALDER to die for Deadly.

Interesting that Walder Frey can effectively kill himself with his own Deadly, huh?

jmccarthy said:

Edit: Of course, Ktom beat me to it entirely.

Yup, you're correct. The "Attacking player" controls the most participating characters with deadly, and so the defending player must choose and kill a participating character must choose and kill a defending participating character after the challenge resolves. The interesting part is that he can choose Walder to die to deadly.

So as far as I can read it, it looks like Walder Frey just killed himself.

So even though Walder is participating on the wrong side, since his text doesn't actually make him change who controls him, he is sort of like the Greatjon except his ability is mandatory. That's pretty interesting. And yea, I can see that going badly for Walder in that situation…