Iron throne and card coming out of shadows question

By SerArthurDayne, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

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Hello,


Just a couple of questions, I know there has been some confusion regarding cancelling effects of cards that come out of shadows. Can the Iron Throne cancels effects such as when guardian wolf, meera reed or the kindly man come out of shadows and trigger there abilities ?

Also quick question about the Red Viper, he is immune to character abilities, but this does not include being immune to keywords like stealth, deadly, intimidate etc ? Only like character triggered passives and abilities ?

Okay one last ruling question, with the "Scourge", to trigger its response to give a character his icon back can this only be done right after the scourge is triggered, or could you later discard a card in say the next challenge to return a icon to one of your characters ?

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SerArthurDayne said:

Just a couple of questions, I know there has been some confusion regarding cancelling effects of cards that come out of shadows. Can the Iron Throne cancels effects such as when guardian wolf, meera reed or the kindly man come out of shadows and trigger there abilities ?

No. Since they are triggered from "out of play," they are triggered as (character) card effects. Therefore, things that cancel "character abilities" do not apply.

SerArthurDayne said:

Also quick question about the Red Viper, he is immune to character abilities, but this does not include being immune to keywords like stealth, deadly, intimidate etc ? Only like character triggered passives and abilities ?

Correct. The FAQ specifically defines keywords as " NOT character abilities." So cards that are immune to "character abilities" are not immune to keywords like stealth, deadly, and intimidate.

SerArthurDayne said:

Okay one last ruling question, with the "Scourge", to trigger its response to give a character his icon back can this only be done right after the scourge is triggered, or could you later discard a card in say the next challenge to return a icon to one of your characters ?

The "return icons" effect of The Scourge is a Response. Therefore, it can only be triggered in the same action window in which The Scourge removes the icons. You cannot wait and do it later, any more than you can trigger Robb Stark's "after you win a military challenge" Response in Dominance.

Responses must be triggered immediately after what they are Responding to resolves. You cannot wait for other things (except other Responses) to happen first.