Core Varys's plot switching

By J_Roel, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

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When you switch used plots and plot decks with someone, what happens to your currently revealed plot if you reveal a new plot (from the other player's deck). Does it go into their used plots and go to them when you switch back? I wouldn't think so, as that would imply that you keep their plot as your revealed plot when you switch back, and then it's in your plot piles for the rest of the game… Varys' ability just seems to create a very tricky situation. What happens if you do reveal a new plot and then are somehow forced to keep that plot through the next plot phase (by Art of Seduction, for example)? Will you just put your previously revealed plot as your revealed plot after the cards are returned or am I over complicating things by incorrectly assuming that you cannot keep an opponent's plot card for the rest of the game?

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In fact, I suppose that you would be effectively switching 2 plot cards with your opponent if you used this ability, as you would each be putting your currently revealed plots into each other's used piles, and after switching back, you would be keeping whichever plots you had revealed from each other's plot decks… I'm not sure why I would think you can't keep each other's plots for the rest of the game, I guess it's based on the fact that cards get returned to their owner's possession when they go out of play (into hands, shadows, discard piles, and dead piles)

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J_Roel said:

When you switch used plots and plot decks with someone, what happens to your currently revealed plot if you reveal a new plot (from the other player's deck).

J_Roel said:

or am I over complicating things by incorrectly assuming that you cannot keep an opponent's plot card for the rest of the game?
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J_Roel said:

In fact, I suppose that you would be effectively switching 2 plot cards with your opponent if you used this ability, as you would each be putting your currently revealed plots into each other's used piles, and after switching back, you would be keeping whichever plots you had revealed from each other's plot decks…

J_Roel said:

I'm not sure why I would think you can't keep each other's plots for the rest of the game, I guess it's based on the fact that cards get returned to their owner's possession when they go out of play (into hands, shadows, discard piles, and dead piles)
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ktom said:


Note that you both end up with 7 plots total, 6 that you brought to the game, 1 that yo didn't.

Yes, lol, my mistake on that point. Thanks for the response, I guess it's not so complicated after all.

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Actually, I figured out why I had said you would effectively be switching 2 plots with your opponent. If they put their currently revealed plot into your used plots when they reveal 1 of yours in the plot phase and you do the same, upon switching used plots and plot decks back at the end of the round, you will each have one of each other's plots in your used plots and 1 of each other's as your currently revealed plot. Ergo, you will have 5 of your own and 2 of your opponent's.

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J_Roel said:

Ergo, you will have 5 of your own and 2 of your opponent's.