What will happen if writ small is blanked?

I think after attached, writ small becomes an attachment without printed text, it's ability is given by the event. So such abilities that blank printed text will not affect writ small. Am I correct?

Yes.

If people have trouble accepting your explanation, ask them what would happen if the text for "You Writ Small" was on a location, and instead of attaching itself to the character, it attached the top card of your deck, face down. What would happen if they blanked the face-down card? Or if the location was discarded from play? Nothing - because the effect which made the face-down card into an attachment is a lasting effect, which is active regardless of the text printed on either the face-down or the location.

The same principle applies to "You Writ Small" as is. Once the event's text is triggered and resolved, creating the lasting effect, it's printed text has done its job and it doesn't matter what happens to it (like that hypothetical location being discarded). And once attached, the "counts as" text is received from the lasting effect, not the printed text of the event card, so it cannot be blanked (like the face-down card with that hypothetical location).

Thanks a lot, Tom~

does this mean that a char immune to events would not get the +2 str?

johnn0411 said:

im having a hard time understanding why blanking the attachment would not get rid of the +2?

Imagine you have an event that says "choose an attachment; that attachment counts as a Boon attachment with the text 'attached character gets +2 STR'." after you play the event - and the event's text is therefore in the discard pile, what happens to the attachment and it's +2? Nothing, right? Because the event has already done its job and transformed the attachment. That part makes sense, right?

Now imagine that the transformed attachment is blanked. What happens to the +2 from the attachment? Again, nothing, because the +2 text working on the character is not actually part of the attachment's printed text box. That part also makes sense, right?

So here's the only tricky part with You Writ Small: the event transforms an attachment, giving it text that is not part of the attachment's active, printed text box, same as that pretend event we talked about above. The difference is that the attachment transformed and the event making the transformation happen are the same piece of cardboard. It works exactly the same as the imaginary event card above, though.

i understand now i think. if the card said blank the text, not blank the printed text, then the card would no longer give the +2?

Actually no I dont' think so. 1) there is no defined "text box" of an event card like there is for other cards. 2) As long as the attachment is attached to the character it "counts as a +2 boon attachment." It doesn't say the attachment gains the text that it gives the attached character +2, it simply says this card counts as a +2 boon attachment.

This lasting condition is similar to the Plot Feast of Famine which has the text "When revealed, you may choose to add +6 gold to your income this marshalling phase. If you do, you cannot initiate challenges this round."

If you choose the 6 gold when you reveal this plot, and then through any means change your plot before or during your challenges, you still are not allowed to initiate any challenges. The reason being is you already made the contract that you will get 6 gold and not initiate challenges this round. Provided it is still that same round, it doesn't need to be your revealed plot card any more since the condition is already set.

It's not exactly the same, but similar enough I think. Attaching this event as an attachment creates the lasting condition that this attachment now counts as a +2 boon attachment, regardless. Actually, a better example would be like trying to blank a reinforcements card. There is no text box to blank and it is a lasting effect that the new "character" has the given stats. Blanking the card does nothing because it has already taken effect.

Johnn - blanking effect only ever take out the printed text box of the card. Since You Writ Small is not relying on its printed text box as an attachment, changing the wording of the blanking effect will not actually make the event-as-attachment lose its +2. However, if you reworded the event so that it did rely on it's printed text box while it was an attachment, blanking it would take away the +2.

For example, if You Writ Small said: "While I'm You Writ Small is attached to a character, it counts as a Boon attachment with the text 'attached character gains +2 STR.' Challenges: choose a character. That character gains Deadly until the end of the phase. Then, attach I'm You Writ Small to a LANNI character." THEN the card would require continual access to the "while (it) is attached" text in order to give the +2, and blanking it would remove the STR boost.

Make sense?

Slothgodfather said:

ktom said:

Milk of the Poppy?

I realize we are talking about blanking attachments here, but wanted to see if that statement applied outside the context of this situation but within the rules of blanking.

Slothgodfather said:

If the first, I'm not sure why a specific exception on a specific card invalidates the rule? If the second, I'd refer you to section 3.8 of the FAQ:

"(3.8) Gaining Abilities
If any card effect has the text "character gains…," any ability (traits, keywords, icon modifiers, or STR modifiers are not considered abilities) following the word "gains" is considered to now be a character ability. However, that effect is not assumed to be a part of that character's text box. Any effect that blanks a card's text box is assumed to blank that card's printed text box ."

So it doesn't matter whether a card says "blank the text box" or "blank the printed text box". According to the FAQ, they mean the same thing.

Ah, that was the question (about gained text). Thanks for the reference! I suppose I should just re-read the FAQ every few weeks/months so I can stop forgetting established rules that I knew at one point or another!

So you're taking the "counts as a Boon attachment with the text 'Attached character gets +2 STR'" to be a constant effect? What is creating the constant effect? How can the constant effect be removed or what would I'm You Writ Small - Attachment have to be immune to for the effect to fail?

Is there no way for a card to be permanently modified? Are they all constant effects that modify cards?

mdc273 said:

mdc273 said:

mdc273 said:

Continuous effects cannot be removed from the cards they are applied to. The application can only be stopped by attacking the card that creates them. For example, if you have an attachment that says "attached character gets +2 STR," your opponent cannot do something to the character in order to make the attachment stop working on it. All he can do is try to get rid of the attachment so that it is no longer there to be applied.

Alternatively, you could play additional effects that balance out the effects of the attachment. For example, you can play an event that gives the attached character -2 STR; it doesn't "remove" the +2 STR effect, but it balances it out so that there is no net gain).

But with a lasting effect, you don't even have the option of going after the card that creates the effect because that card is already long gone. For example, say I use the Wildling Bard to give a character Renown. Getting rid of the Bard at that point will not remove the Renown because the "until the end of the phase" has aready been set in motion. Shooting the archer after he releases doesn't stop the arrow from hitting the target.

With "You Writ Small," you are dealing first with a lasting effect. That lasting effect makes the game treat the card as a Boon attachment that gives the attached character +2 STR. And just like the Bard example, no matter what you do to the event card that set the lasting effect in motion, it will not undo the lasting effect or make it end early. The game will continue to treat the card as a Boon attachment that gives the attached character +2 STR.

So, looking at "You Writ Small," normally you would have three options to handle an attachment that gives the attached character +2 STR:

1. Discard the attachment from play.
2. Give the character -2 STR to "cancel out" the effective STR gain.
3. Blank the attachment without discarding it so that its continuous effect is not active.

But with "You Writ Small," #3 is not an option. This is because the "attached character gets +2 STR" capabilities of the attachment is not coming from the attachment itself. It is coming from the lasting effect that has long ago turned the event card into an attachment card. So you are left with #1 and #2 only.

mdc273 said:

You can also

4) Make the character immune to the constant effect.

How are you,Mr Mei?