If i was to use a Rhoynar Emissary on a character and then removed its icons before the next challange would it be discarded? What if some one fishing netted that character or black celled it? Is their any conditon other then player choice where the character i used Rhoynar Emissary on would be discarded?

The Emissary only discards the chosen character if it is eligible to be declared and is not. All of the things you mention make the chosen character ineligible to be declared (or place restrictions on eligibility - that the character's controller cannot be forced to remove), so the character is not discarded because it was not eligible to be declared.

You cannot force someone into discarding the character by taking away their ability to declare it as a participant. Don't think of it as a character control/discard effect. Think of it as a participation control effect. You use it so that the chosen character has to defend (after attacking with a Deadly character). You use it to choose the attacker for them (then play Lethal Counterattack). Things like that.

It's no Court Singer from the CCG, that's for sure.

Yeah, well, to be fair, half the time Court Singer was no Court Singer, either.

Another Question:

If the opponent has already declare INT and Mil challenge,Before he pass the challenge phase, I use the Emissary to choose one character has a POW ICON. If the opponent then pass the challenge phase and do no POW challenge. The chosen character still in play or discarded?

THX

I'd say no, because no challenge was declared, so the "next challenge the character is eligible for" hasn't come around yet.

Correct. There was no "next challenge" since no one declared a POW challenge.

It is that easy to stop the Emissary from discarding your character. Of course, you missed out on your power challenge…. Like I said, this card is more about challenge and challenge participation manipulation, not character removal/discarding.

Rhoynar Emissary + Before the Black Walls = Profit!

And what happens with 2 Rhoynar Emissary and a Joust character?

Two characters are chosen to participate if they can.

Joust says only one can defend. When the defending player is to declare defenders, he/she has the option to choose any of them. Of course only one can be choosen. I would say the other character has to be discarded.

Any thoughts?

Miklos said:

is there any particular reason someone is telling you that it wouldn't work that way?

ktom said:

No

Just wanted confirmation. Thank you KTom

Actually, FFG has ruled the other way. Bolzano sent the following question and received the following answer:

But what if I attack him with Orell with Joust? His character is eligible (has the icon, is not stealthed), and yet he cannot be declared. So he would be discarded through Rhoynar Emissary's effect.
Or do we considerer that he is not eligible to be declared as a defender?

If there is anything preventing a character from being declared as a defender (for instance: knelt, lack of icon, stealth, or a card effect), that character is not considered an eligible defender.

Khudzlin said:

In Bolzano's question, the combination of Orell and Joust means that the defending player has no options for declaring defenders. He cannot declare just 1, and more than 1, at the same time.

In Miklos' question, the defending player still has options for declaring defenders, he just can't choose both characters hit by the Emissary at the same time.

Effectively, the Emissary works by saying "if you have the option to declare this character and don't, it is discarded." FFG's answer to Bolzano confirms that the option must be there, so taking away the option to declare anything doesn't trigger the discard. But in Miklos' "two Emissary, one defender" question, since the Emissary itself does not change the eligibility of the character to be declared, the option is not taken away.

Look at it this way: if only 1 character had been hit by the Emissary and a Joust character attacked, you'd say that the character must be declared as the only defender or be discarded, right? So how is it that the second character hit by the Emissary is somehow able to side step not being declared? You had the option to declare it, but chose someone else. If this doesn't discard the second character hit by the Emissary, why would any character hit by the Emissary need to be declared against the Joust attack?