I am getting it now that it isn't co-op.
No Co-Op official… guess that is it.. 1 less game to collect!
I think a big thing that influenced the decision by FFG is the tournament scene. PvP is easy to design and run a tournament for. Co-op, not so much. Despite at the initial release of LoTR:LCG FFG said there would be tournaments for it, they have yet to produce tournament rules/guidelines.
I agree with many posters here. I watched the video and the game looked pretty boring. The only thing I thought was pretty cool and interesting was the different ways to win and the "death star" mechanic.
I usually play games with my wife and another couple. We play games for the social aspect, and enjoy/prefer talking and working together towards a common goal. We play Nazgul pure co-op, for example, and it is a blast. We were excited when SW:LCG was announced as co-op. With it being PvP, we have no interest in it.
Luckily, I suppose, FFG just announced a co-op boardgame, Legends of Andor. We'll buy that instead.
Personally, I think after they say LoTR's sales tank after the initial set(s), the choice was easy. *shrug* I know a TON of people who played LoTR for awhile but got bored and the chapter packs didn't add enough variety to keep them in it.
Counter that with Game of Thrones, which by all measurements has had the best sales and participation level ever (with the possible exception of the very first year, back in 2003). Obviously the HBO show helps there, but there is also the example of the success of Netrunner (sold out in 8 minutes or something silly like that). Warhammer hasn't had a lot of success in the States, but has a big following in Europe.
FFG is going to vote with profits, and there isn't a ton of room for card-game co-op games (board games are a different matter).
I demo'd the game and really enjoyed it. It looks like the deck-building aspect is going to be very unique as well. A game that I wasn't goign to touch (the co-op) I will be a big fan of, I belive.
"I agree with many posters here. I watched the video and the game looked pretty boring. The only thing I thought was pretty cool and interesting was the different ways to win and the "death star" mechanic."
You watched a game that you have really limited knowledge of and really no vested interest in, and thought you'd find it anything but boring? I'm sorry but frankly watching any card game with out some knowledge about what is going on and some understanding of the swings or tactics involved is always going to be boring. I do not know what your expectations were, but they seem unfairly set.
If I didn't play and understand AGoT, even as a fan of the series, I'd find watching a game of it completely boring.
ScottieATF said:
"I agree with many posters here. I watched the video and the game looked pretty boring. The only thing I thought was pretty cool and interesting was the different ways to win and the "death star" mechanic."
You watched a game that you have really limited knowledge of and really no vested interest in, and thought you'd find it anything but boring? I'm sorry but frankly watching any card game with out some knowledge about what is going on and some understanding of the swings or tactics involved is always going to be boring. I do not know what your expectations were, but they seem unfairly set.
If I didn't play and understand AGoT, even as a fan of the series, I'd find watching a game of it completely boring.
And yet it seems you're in every thread defending a game to the grave that you dont play / have limited understanding of / dont understand / etc.
To be honest, besides a few FFG fanboys and maybe team Covenant i dont see much positive feedback. And Covenant always feels like they're reading from script when they make videos.
I actually played the game. More then once.
And honestly I haven't mounted very much in the way of defense of the game, I'm just pointing out the gaping holes in other people arguments.
Co-op viable for tournaments? Come on. The game isn't Star Wars enough? What exactly are you expecting? They could have done Co-op and PvP in the same game! Not in the release with out tanking the game. I watched a video demo and it was boring? So would any card game that you had never played, it's not dramatic without understanding. Why release a PvP game when we already have the Decipher game? An out of print game with no current competitive play doesn't count, some people weren't playing card games back in the 90's. Etc.
You aren't seeing positive feedback because it's the Co-op fans turn to whine. Around this time last year I remember a very long thread from PvP fans looking much like this one. I remember alot of threads with people feeling like the game wasn't worth it if you couldn't play the Dark Side. FFG re-evaluated their position and all you are seeing is the other side of the coin voicing their grievances.
I played both versions. And I play both LotR and AGoT. And while I enjoyed LotR for a time, it goes stale. AGoT at least always has the dynamic of an opponent. It is by default less static. It actually works in tournament play.
So yes the fact that the game is going to be PvP is clearly going to alienate some people, and some of those people are going to be quite vocal about it. Some of their opinions are going to be completely valid but some of them are going to range from reaching to completely inane.
ScottieATF said:
*The game isn't Star Wars enough?* What exactly are you expecting?**
What i am expecting is FFG to make a generic pvp snd sell the hell out of it 'cause it's Star Wars.
I really hope i'm wrong and it turns out to be the best card game out there. But you know, from what ive seen so far it doesnt look good. But then again i have not played the demo and you have so my opinion is void.
And no, i actually dont like lotr lcg(bought it, played it, traded it) and would prefer this game to be pvp.
Bolfa Fluffbelly said:
But then again i have not played the demo and you have so my opinion is void.
I hope this is sarcasm.
MarthWMaster said:
Bolfa Fluffbelly said:
But then again i have not played the demo and you have so my opinion is void.
I hope this is sarcasm.
Sarcasm? On the internet? I would never…
What a pitty…. Co-Op would have been really interesting… now its like any other Magic game..
So can someone explain to me is it a PvP - 2 player only? or is it PvP 2-4 like Game of thrones?
If its strictly a 2p only game then yeah i'm probably skipping it, however if its in the same vein as AGOT then i will definately pick this bad boy up!
Currently it's set at 1v1. I really hope they bring in a multiplayer variant.
spirit said:
Currently it's set at 1v1. I really hope they bring in a multiplayer variant.
Certain of the demo cards seem to be worded with this intent in mind. Whether it's something that will be in the core rulebook or something added later (or not at all), I'm not sure.
I was shocked and disappointed to see the changes. The removal of Co-Op isn't what makes this a no buy for me, but the exclusion of solitaire is. I also don't like playing the Empire and will never do it.
However, I do understand that FFG has never been able to make LotR into a tournament viable game, and I suspect they are hesitant to make another LCG that will have no tourney support.
I will read the rulebook with as open a mind as I can manage. But this isn't the game that I spent the last 8-9 months anticipating. Speaking of which, did we get any kind of estimate on a release date from Gencon, or is it still in the undetermined future?
DrNate said:
Speaking of which, did we get any kind of estimate on a release date from Gencon, or is it still in the undetermined future?
Everything pointed to a Winter 2012 release date, from what I've seen…
DrNate said:
I was shocked and disappointed to see the changes. The removal of Co-Op isn't what makes this a no buy for me, but the exclusion of solitaire is. I also don't like playing the Empire and will never do it.
However, I do understand that FFG has never been able to make LotR into a tournament viable game, and I suspect they are hesitant to make another LCG that will have no tourney support.
I will read the rulebook with as open a mind as I can manage. But this isn't the game that I spent the last 8-9 months anticipating. Speaking of which, did we get any kind of estimate on a release date from Gencon, or is it still in the undetermined future?
This x1000.This announcement was like a dagger in the belly for me.
Tonight I finally got my wife to agree to play a game with me, but I was so torn! I'm really on a Star Wars kick at the moment, but I also wanted to play a cooperative game so we could work together. It reminded me of how excited I was a year ago. We'll probably end up playing LotR even though I'd much rather play a Star Wars version of it.
Tonight's experience really drove home to me what an opportunity we've lost by this game going back into development.
I invite everyone on these forums to go pay for the licensing for the Star Wars property and design your own game. Make it play however you like.
Until you do that, stop whining and complaining about how you don't like this design or these rules. It isn't your game. It's FFG's. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I'm pretty sure they'll make more than enough money from the players who play games because they're fun, not because they're co-op.
sinnerfold said:
I invite everyone on these forums to go pay for the licensing for the Star Wars property and design your own game. Make it play however you like.
Until you do that, stop whining and complaining about how you don't like this design or these rules. It isn't your game. It's FFG's. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I'm pretty sure they'll make more than enough money from the players who play games because they're fun, not because they're co-op.
Star wars fans, stop complaining? Are you new to the Internet?
sinnerfold said:
I invite everyone on these forums to go pay for the licensing for the Star Wars property and design your own game. Make it play however you like.
Until you do that, stop whining and complaining about how you don't like this design or these rules. It isn't your game. It's FFG's. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I'm pretty sure they'll make more than enough money from the players who play games because they're fun, not because they're co-op.
You know, i would agree with this any other time… but this is Star Wars.
Bolfa Fluffbelly said:
sinnerfold said:
I invite everyone on these forums to go pay for the licensing for the Star Wars property and design your own game. Make it play however you like.
Until you do that, stop whining and complaining about how you don't like this design or these rules. It isn't your game. It's FFG's. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I'm pretty sure they'll make more than enough money from the players who play games because they're fun, not because they're co-op.
You know, i would agree with this any other time… but this is Star Wars.
Hence the first part of the quote, and the Until you do that… preface to the second part. Sure, it's tough when it's a franchise you love, not done the way you would have loved. And I'll be the first to admit I would have preferred they go a different direction with it (not cooperative, still PvP, but a different direction nonetheless). Still, it is currently FFG's license, to do with what they will, which is to make games that will earn them profit. They clearly made a mistake early on, by slating it as a cooperative game, rather than going out the door with PvP. If they had done the latter, there probably wouldn't have been so much backlash.
And none of said backlash seems to allow for the possibility that they intend for there to be a cooperative variant included in the rulebook itself.
sinnerfold said:
If you don't like it, don't buy it.
If you don't like the thread, don't read it.
See how that works? 
sinnerfold said:
I invite everyone on these forums to go pay for the licensing for the Star Wars property and design your own game. Make it play however you like.
Until you do that, stop whining and complaining about how you don't like this design or these rules. It isn't your game. It's FFG's. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I'm pretty sure they'll make more than enough money from the players who play games because they're fun, not because they're co-op.
You know what? I don't have the license, but I have made my own Star Wars card game and it's currently in development using the Vassal mod, so at least I can say I've designed a Star Wars card game.
And would you have said the same things 9 months ago when a bunch of people complained about the cooperative model? Or are you just saying that because you're happy you got your pvp game?
sinnerfold said:
I invite everyone on these forums to go pay for the licensing for the Star Wars property and design your own game. Make it play however you like.
Until you do that, stop whining and complaining about how you don't like this design or these rules. It isn't your game. It's FFG's. If you don't like it, don't buy it. I'm pretty sure they'll make more than enough money from the players who play games because they're fun, not because they're co-op.
Isn't this censorship? Now we can't give a free opinion of what we don't like? What a pitty… And answering your question, if we had the money we would surely buy the licensing as old George is happy to exploit every last bit of the franchise…
Yeah, I had to cross this off my list. I work late hours and can't really game with anyone, so co-op games really appeal to me. I may check out the LOTR card game, though…