HOW MANY PEOPLE THINK OLCADAN'S MENTORING WILL GET BANNED. i JUST WANNA SEE IF THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS THINK THIS CARD WILL GET BANNED SO I DONT BUY N E IF I WONT GET ANY PLAY OUT OF THEM

From what I understand there are no plans to ban it at this time.

My shop still has some available with the purchase of 6 older boosters. So I don't see them being that terribly expensive to pick up.

They used to be worth 20 bucks when they came out but now their about 5 if you can't get them try CSI.

I dont think they are going to get banned simply due to the fact that they have the infinity symbol and everyone could use them

If it had a set resource spread of say 3 symbol it would probably already been gone a long time ago

1st of all, it is seen as incredible rude to type in all capitals.

On to the topic, I don't think anyone will mind seeing olcadan's mentoring going away. The problem with olcadan's mentoring is that some symbols can protect themselves very easy from olcadan's mentoring such as evil, chaos, and death, while others have problems because they have no direct on symbol foundations or assets that can stop OM. If the card goes away, I think some other cards will stop seeing play. Ever since the card was printed it has had 3-4 copies in every competitive deck. And the first major event it was in was last year's canadian nationals, it was available the previous day. The stats are way too good on the card, and the fact that is infinity is a huge problem. There is really no reason not to run the card, it has a great block and can trade your opponent's sitional stronger foundation for other foundations don't matter given the current situation. I've seen some obscure strategies like not having any bad foundations in your deck, but those strategies don't really work.

I could see a ban due to the time argument; on power level terms though, despite being obviously undercosted it might a necessary evil the same way Yoga Mastery was. There are too many game-dominating foundations right now (LotM first and foremost, though also stuff like Bitter Rivals) to leave non-Order/Water decks stranded without enough answers. (if any at all)

Cetonis said:

I doubt it will be banned then more cards with static effects like destiny will be more of an issue then mentoring will be so I think its needed.

I could see it getting banned, I really just hope for a Unique stamp. Not all symbols have answers to this card, but all symbols can play it. A little on the powerful side, closing in on overpowered. Can be dealt with using the right deck.

i could see it getting banned, and i would understand if it did... however i do think some symbols really need it for that extra 'edge' per say against the top tier symbols. if it does get banned though, i think the primary reason would be that its such a time-waster in tournaments... my opponent's usually take 2-3 minutes trying to decide what to give me with it per copy, and some times i just feel like pulling out my DS while they make up their minds >_>

Olcadon's won't be banned.

There are plenty of ways to deal with it spread across enough symbol and there is frankly out and out asset hate that people need to start using.

The time issue has been raised of course, but that can simply be solved by keeping mental note of what is in the opponents discard and plan ahead what you want to get rid of.

Seriously, it takes me ten seconds tops to use even all four Olcadon's on the board, and probably another minute to play out my turn completely.

It might just be me and an ability to process and plan faster than some, but the time issue has never been a constraint for me.

Ka$h said:

I believe it should be banned for two reasons. The overall power of the card and from a design stand point. It makes playing unique foundations almost not worth playing. Your opponent destroys one of your foundations and selects a copy of a unique foundation in your discard pile to return. When it does it gets destroyed. It is one of the reasons i dont bother playing giradots leadership.

sir_shajir said:

I agree 120% with everything said here.

Owlface probably isn't going anywhere for a while.

There's tons of asset hate and direct negation answers to it. Not every symbol can fight it off in a mono-symbol build, but them's the breaks. Not every symbol can negate things, force discard, hack checks, etc, either. That's just kinda the way the game works, really.

It was also widely available to everyone as a Card of the Month promo.

Personal opinion - I don't like being forced to dedicate no less than 7 slots in decks as answers for this card. It annoys me. I'm tired of it. But I recognize that it's not exactly as bad as, say, the banlist's newest member, too. I don't complain when people use it against me. I move on, and play as best I can anyway.

The moral of the story - blame Jon Herr. Why? I think the real question is: "Why NOT?" Think about it.

I personally would like to see Olcadan's go, BECAUSE of the fact that it goes in every deck, and Asset hate shouldn't have to be put in every deck just to deal with it. Yes, it's cheaper than say, Feline Spike or Chesters' Backing, but the point stands that you just can't really build a very competetive deck without it.

I know it's been said that cards like Makai High and Blinding Rage would see less play if it went, but I don't think that they would, as there are plenty of other methods of foundation destruction (that would also probably see more play if Olcadan were to go) such as Tsuji Hayate, Shadow Blade, A Cats Reflexes and more. You also have the fact that the anti-Olcadan cards have fantastic numbers on them, with the two main ones being 1/6's with blocks.

The other reason that I think Olcadan's stains the meta is because it lowers the tier level of entire resources just by existing. How often do you build a deck without thinking "do I have a defence against Olcadan's Mentoring?" When was the last time you built a Water or All deck that didn't splash into Order for Makai High, Chaos for Oral Dead/Red Lotus or Fire for Blinding Rage? I agree that a method to get rid of troublesome foundations is necessary, but until attacking becomes more prevalent, which renders what foundations you do have out less important, Olcadan's controls almost the entire game because you can't help but build a deck that has to do something about it, you have to bear it in mind for EVERY deck you play against, which I don't think is right.

Without A Care's ans Looks That Kills' existence is proof that Olcadans' was thought of after they were, as Olcadan's is clearly the preferable of the two because of its insane numbers. I don't think Olcadan will get the banhammer anytime soon, but I would like to think that it may do at some point, or will at least have something done about it, it's presence in every deck surely proves it's extreme level of power?

MegaGeese said:

Yes Jon Herr is to blame for all the problem cards for UFS just curse his name people and you will feel better about it .. .

But I hear what you guys are saying about mentoring but honestly without it control is even worse then before . Think about when you drop control pieces like chesters , charasmatic , red lotus ect... Now they are going to stay on the board while you could give them cards like bitter rivals or anti K" .... I agree the stats should not have been so good. But at the same time it needs to help resources who just get locked out with no way to deal with control pieces like that.

Viewtiful_Joe said:

1000X THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm tired of not being able to run mono all, water, life and void. Water and life have an answer in nature's force, until your opponent gets a red lotus down at which point its like FFFFUUUUUUUUUUU.......

That and I'm tired of running it and answers to it in every deck.

ok so i play the stuff to do with it and then to free up space i dont play it as why bother as every one is playing lots of ways to deal with it

In my opinion Olcadans Mentoring is a card just like Addess Syndicate was. It's a card that should be run in every deck that can run it and in OM's case, every deck. Deck's without it are not as good because of the fact that they don't run it.

Should the card be banned from tournament play? In my opinion it's not necessary but it would make for a healthier play enviroment, especially for new players.

How would you like to be a new player and have your staging area mucked up by a veteran playing who is running OM only to find out that it's extremely hard to find any for yourself?

People are right that without OM a few cards may become less useful, but if that's what it takes then that would be fine by me. I would love to have an additional 12 card slots in my deck since I could take out OM, Makai High Noble, and Blinding Rage. Red Lotus is still useful beyond OM. Ira Spinta negation is one example of a reason Red Lotus is more amazing than the others.

So in short, does it need to be banned due to being NPE etc... maybe not

Do I think it would make for a healthier and more fun game if it was banned? YES.

It would certainly make for faster games. No more, 'can I see your discard?' every friggin' turn.

it won't be banned simply becuase it gives every symbol an answer to control.

But every control symbol is packing answers to it...

Makingsenseofus said:

still you can always get olcadon's out before the answers.

GiantThighLover said:

Whoa Addes syndicate I dont really think its near that good addes shut off a third of the game. Eventually Mentoring will lose targets and not become as threatening unlike addes got better with the more you got out .

I liked Jon Herr's reasoning on banning Olcadan's.

"Olcadan's should be banned not because of it's broken playability, but because of how much time it wastes in tournaments."

If you're restricted to a 50 minute time limit, which most OFFICIAL sanctioned tournaments are, Olcadan's typically wastes about thirty seconds to a minute a turn ravaging through the discard pile. Get into the heat of the control war and even an experienced mind will think on Olcadan's for a bit.

As for the people who say they are hardcore veterans enough to REMEMBER each and every solitary card in the discard pile, I think that's total BS. Your mind travels elsewhere other than your opponent's discard pile, such as what base to build, how you'll attack, what your opponent will respond with, etc. You'll soon forget and have to look again for a refresher.

Olcadan's is a time-sucker. Believe it.

Shaneth said:

people will probably just start playing without a care if it does get banned and that will take just as long

Makingsenseofus said:

I run mono water all the time.

Then again, it's either Seong Mi-Na or Sakura, who can recur Nature's Force until it pushes through Red Lotus.

Then again, Feline Spike x2 doesn't care about Red Lotus either.