The sorrowful man has the ability to be brought into play by kneeling 2 influence when an opposing character is brought into play, which then requires the opponent to pay 1 gold or the character dies. I had the event card "kneel an asshai character to cancel the triggered effect of a card" and was playing an asshai character to the table. Could I have knelt that card, and cancelled the effect? Would the sorrowful man return to hand because the effect was cancelled so the effect that brought him into play is cancelled as well as requiring the gold penalty or death?
If I defend with one character, then my opponent drops their strength to 0 but I have one of the small council tokens that gives +3 to my total, does the challenge count as defended with 3 str since I have a participating character even though str 0? I know that if I have no defenders that the +3 does not count, but does having a defender with str 0 count?
Also a quick question on "keywords". Are these abilities, or passive effects? Examples of cards
- "Blank out a cards text (excluding traits)" - I assume would blank out the keyword (e.g. infamy, joust, melee, etc.).
- "Immune to character abilities" - I assumed that the keyword is a specific ability, so deadly would still kill if this character is used to defend. Interesting point - what about Bitter crone who says that characters cannot be saved? Is that an ability or treated more like an agenda?
Sorrowful Man and other topics
Pendarric said:
If it did apply, though, you would have been able to kneel the Asshai character you just played. It is fully in play and able to be used when the Sorrowful Man's response to playing it would be triggered. If the Sorrowful Man is canceled, he'd return to Shadows - since you canceled the effect that tried to bring him out of Shadows. And, in this case, since it is triggered while out-of-play, it could just be triggered again, assuming your opponent had another 2 infulence
Pendarric said:
Pendarric said:
- "Blank out a cards text (excluding traits)" - I assume would blank out the keyword (e.g. infamy, joust, melee, etc.).
- "Immune to character abilities" - I assumed that the keyword is a specific ability, so deadly would still kill if this character is used to defend. Interesting point - what about Bitter crone who says that characters cannot be saved? Is that an ability or treated more like an agenda?
Any text (other than traits, keywords, and flavor text) in the text box will be considered a "card effect" (or "card ability" if it is activated or initiated while in play). Any effect or ability can be triggered, passive, or continuous, though, depending on the circumstances in which it is initiated or applied.
ktom said:
Pendarric said:
- "Blank out a cards text (excluding traits)" - I assume would blank out the keyword (e.g. infamy, joust, melee, etc.).
- "Immune to character abilities" - I assumed that the keyword is a specific ability, so deadly would still kill if this character is used to defend. Interesting point - what about Bitter crone who says that characters cannot be saved? Is that an ability or treated more like an agenda?
Traits and keywords are not considered card abilities. Keywords tend to be resolves passively, as passive effects, but they are not considered "abilities" by definition. Keywords still count as text in a card's text box for the purposes of blanking effects, though.
Any text (other than traits, keywords, and flavor text) in the text box will be considered a "card effect" (or "card ability" if it is activated or initiated while in play). Any effect or ability can be triggered, passive, or continuous, though, depending on the circumstances in which it is initiated or applied.
So with regards specifically to Bitter Crone, does "immune to character abilities" not apply because it is an effect, not a character ability?
I think if it is a triggered effect on a character in play, then it is also considered a character ability. A passive is not a triggered effect, but it is a card effect, and if it is on a character in play then it is also a character ability.
Don't know if "immune to character abilities" will protect a character from the Crone though.
Bitter Crone is non-keyword text on a character card that is active while the card is in play. Therefore, it is a character ability.
(If it's not Joust, Melee, or on the list of keywords in the Core Set rules, it is not a keyword.)
Bitter Crone works directly on the characters, saying they are not eligible to be saved.
Since "immune to character abilities" allows the card to ignore the effects that are directly applied to it by character abilities, a character that is "immune to character abilities" will ignore the Crone, effectively ignoring the character ability trying to limit it's eligibility to be saved. It can, therefore, be saved.