Art of seduction question

By argyles, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

hypothetical scenario at melee game.

setups :

player A (stark) : Bran + whatever

player B (targaryen) : Rhaegar Targaryen + whatever

player C (targaryen) : a lot of influence locations or characters

player D (whatever) : whatever

first round actions before the plots are revealed at 1 st plot phase :

player A kneels bran in order to play a plot and player A reveals Art of seduction and targets player B.

player C burns(kills) player's B Rhaegar and someone (lets say player A) uses the responce on rhaegar so now we go to a new round.

2nd round will player B reveal a plot? and if not what is his initiative,gold,claim ?

ps : sorry for my bad english

Hmmm. This could go one of 2 ways.

  1. You're not allowed to choose a player who hasn't revealed a plot card (though the card doesn't support this interpretation as written).
  2. The chosen player has no chance to reveal a plot this turn and the game proceeds directly to the next, forcing that player to start with no plot.

In 2, player A's base gold, initiative and claim would all be 0 for being unknown. Moral of the story : do not setup or play Rhaegar when you cannot afford his death (not that he's played that much anyway).

I believe 1 is correct.

AoS checks for opponents who did not reveal AoS. When using Bran or a similar ability, the check returns a null value since no one else revealed a plot.

Hoya is correct.

The text of Art of Seduction is "When revealed, choose 1 opponent that did not reveal The Art of Seduction as his or her plot card." That is not the same thing as "When revealed, choose 1 opponent whose revealed plot card is not The Art of Seduction."

The target restrictions on AoS are keyed off of the act of revealing a plot card, not the identity of the plot card that happens to be revealed. So AoS only works when people reveal plots at the same time, not when AoS is revealed on its own by a card effect.