Came up while playing: Does "The Laughing Storm" completely negate Intrigue Challenge Claim? He seems waaaaaaay overpowered if so. At least claim-soaks (ie Aemon) require an exhaust and usually either a wasted investment (ie Aemon again w/ no icons, or Viserys since you have to replay him each turn).

Thanks

HomerJ said:

He does allow his controller to completely ignore normal intrigue claim while he is standing. So what you need to do is kneel him, blank him or remove him from play if you want to go for the hand.

On a side note, there is a second version of Maester Aemon with an Intrigue icon and a house affiliation, which makes him far better than the core set version.

except for his unfortunate attachments restrictions.

That's totally out of thread. What does Aemon have to do with the Laughing Storm (except being old enough to be alive at the same time)?

Being a claimsoak, I believe.

Khudzlin said:

Cwethan said:

This is true, but just the fact that he's properly affiliated with House Targaryen is a big improvement for me, since I can use my reducers on him.

On a side note, does this mean that intrigue claim fizzles when The Laughing Storm is standing? Not sure if it matters, but I imagine someday it will come up, haha. I'm guessing it does indeed fizzle.

mdc273 said:

That's …not a side note. That's the main question of this thread. The answer to the question is yes.

Although, let's make sure we are all using the term "fizzle" the same way. I think "fizzle" in this context means "no practical effect." That is definitely true.

But I could also see someone thinking "fizzle" means "doesn't resolve," or something like that. That's not really true. Claim still "happens," it just has no real effect since discarding cards from hand is "unsuccessful." This is a pretty fine-line distinction, I know, but it may be important for things like claim replacement effects or Responses to resolving claim.

Or Frey Hospitality, for that matter.

Or terminal schemes.

to beat a dead horse…or condemned by the council

or Reek!

(Reek, Reek it rhymes with meek)

~ Have we undertaken a mission here to name every effect that keys off of winning or losing an intrigue challenge?

(And no, that was NOT a challenge!)

ktom said:

Challenge accepted!

ktom said:

ktom said:

~YES! but only 1 answer per post/person!

In relating to negating challenges, Bara also has that Host army that makes initiating POW challenges impossible (obviously there are cards to deal with them, but they are the same as those that deal with TLS). Just pointing out with those 2 cards, your left with a MIL challenge.

Well, the difference is that you can still initiate the INT challenge while TLS is standing and even win it (you could then use a claim replacement effect). You cannot even initiate a POW challenge while the army is standing.