Draw Cap

By mbm, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

I understand that the draw cap is 5.

Is it restricted to the Draw phase alone? or is it a total number?

1 very quick and important distinction.

The draw cap is 3.

The framework action of drawing 2 cards is mandatory, and does not count towards and 'draw cap'. However should this 2 card draw be modified in a positive way by something like knights of the realm or kings of summer then the additonal card counts against the draw cap of 3. Should it be modified in a negative way , by the negative of those 2 agendas for example, your mandatory draw is reduced to 1 but your draw cap of 3 is unmodified meaning you could only draw 4 cards that turn.

The only exception that i can think of that modifies your framework draw of 2 in a positive fashion is the master of laws title, as it is not considered a card effect but changes the mandatory draw from 2 to 3.

The general rule of thumb is that anything with the word 'draw' counts toward the draw cap of 3, effects that let you search and put into hand are not considered 'draw' and do not count against the draw cap.

For example, a stark player could reveal spending the winter stores as his plot to search his deck for an attachment, then draw his basic 2 cards, draw another 1 with knights of the realm as his agenda, another with a bay of ice and his final card with kings landing, BUT should he have 3 winterfell kennels in play (and adequet gold) he could ALSO search for 3 direwolves and put them into his hand.

Hope that helps (also hope i got it right!)

Thanks for the answer!

If you are not 100% sure, i'll wait for someone to verify your take on the matter.

Im 99% sure that im right, but sometimes the language of the game gets a little (a lot) complex and i tend to simplify the language which sometimes can lead to a slight misinterpritation. As ive only been playing for little over a year i always tend to add the 'hope im right' or 'get confirmation' as there are people on the boards who are vastly more experienced then i am and looking like a know-it-all only to get slapped down with multiple corrections is not very high on my to do list ;)

You're right, Underworld (it's all in the FAQ):

  1. the 2 cards from the framework draw do not count
  2. any card effect that includes the word "draw" counts
  3. any card effect that increase the number of cards you draw counts as well
  4. any effect that reduces that number doesn't increase your draw cap
  5. the Master of Laws title is not considered a card, so its effect doesn't count

Some cards modify your draw cap itself, like Rotten Bastard or Dolorous Edd.

Also, "revealing" the top cards of your deck and putting it in your hand is NOT considered to be "drawing" cards. Example: Oberyn's Guile "Response: After you lose a challenge reveal the top card of your deck, then add it to your hand."

If you drew 2 cards during the Draw phase and managed to draw another 3 during the round via card effects, you can still get the card(s) from Oberyn's Guile. Other examples that "bypass" the drawing cap are Viper's Bannermen (when put into play or leaves play, reveal the top 2 cards and put them into your hand), and House Messenger (reveal the top 2 cards of your deck, put 1 in your hand, the other on the bottom of your deck).

Some1new said:

Also, "revealing" the top cards of your deck and putting it in your hand is NOT considered to be "drawing" cards. Example: Oberyn's Guile "Response: After you lose a challenge reveal the top card of your deck, then add it to your hand."

If you drew 2 cards during the Draw phase and managed to draw another 3 during the round via card effects, you can still get the card(s) from Oberyn's Guile. Other examples that "bypass" the drawing cap are Viper's Bannermen (when put into play or leaves play, reveal the top 2 cards and put them into your hand), and House Messenger (reveal the top 2 cards of your deck, put 1 in your hand, the other on the bottom of your deck).

Khudzlin said:

2. any card effect that includes the word "draw" counts

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Khudzlin said:

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