We know Innsmouth has eight Ancient Ones, and we know the identities of three of them. Who do you think the other five are?

1. Zhar

2. Bokrug

3. Ghatanothoa

4. ???

5. ???

6. ???

7. ???

8. ???

I just really want Chaugnar Faugn, and I was afraid it wouldn't happen because Kingsport has already been released. But with EIGHT...maybe...

8 AO and 16 Investigators, is this meant to be more of an expansion but a replacement for the base AH? i.e. @4ft board!

jgt7771 said:

You know, I've never really like Chaugnar Faugn, but a lot of other people seem to. The demand is probably high enough to make it likely that he's in there.

Dagon and Hydra will probably be there, but they could be Heralds. Ubbo-Sathla also seems like a decent choice. Personally, I'd like Tru-Nembra and Daoloth to be included.

Oh, and add in a high possibility for Quachil Uttaus, those Dust Cards have me suspicious.

I'm quite sure Rhan Tegoth will make an appearance at last.

BTW, where was it revealed that Ghatanothoa and Zhar are in Innsmouth?

Thank you, the Message! I remembered that there was an Ancient One who was affiliated with magical dust in some way, but I couldn't think of his name. Perhaps you could explain to myself and everyone else the details about Quachil Uttaus and dust?

Those two AO's were revealed in the first page of the Innsmouth post on this message board, Morgaln. A new poster was kind enough to post the list of contents for the Innsmouth expansion and they included one "Zhar token" and eight "Ghatanothoa's Visage tokens".

Amended List:

1. Bokrug

2. Zhar

3. Ghatanothoa

4. Quachil Uttaus

5. ???

6. ???

7. ???

8. ???

Since there has always been a cross-pollination of Mythos artwork between Arkham Horror and the Call of Cthulhu CCG/LCG, there's a better-than-even chance of seeing Cthugha and/or Nyogtha, both of whom made their appearance in the same LCG Asylum Pack that had the playing card versions of Bokrug, Ghatanothoa, and Atlach-Nacha. I think Cthugha would be a good addition to the AO stable, since he would likely boost the abilities of the currently-less-than-fearsome Fire Vampires.

Solan said:

Quite welcome! Quachil Uttaus is a being associated with time, dust and decay, which resembles a dessicated fetus. You can read the short story "The Treader of the Dust" here (Though the punctuation is atrocious...): http://www.eldritchdark.com/writings/short-stories/222/the-treader-of-the-dust

I'd guess that the Dust Cards would be some sort of penalty that the players can draw, perhaps lowering their speed and combat ability.

Surely one of them must be Dagon, no?

Is a single-sheet "Father Dagon and Mother Hydra" out of the question?

Kozemp said:

To answer your questions, no, one of them must not be Dagon, and yes, that is out of the question

Seriously, Dagon and Hyrda are only super Deep Ones, nothing more, so it would be completely inapprorpriate to have them as AO's. I'm fairly certain, however, that the two Heralds are Dagon and Hyrdra, and if we're lucky we'll get at least one five toughness monster chit of one of them.

Solan said:

Technically Cthulhu isn't that big a deal either, he's just really overhyped. I do think you're right about them being the heralds, but I'd prefer at least Dagon to be a GOO.

At least Dagon as a herald is a safe bet. Whereas there would have to bee an interesting difference in game mechanics to actually qualify both as seperate heralds, I guess. Still, there are other "water-related" beings that could qualify as new heralds - Gloon, for example, or Othuum.

GOOs
- Ghatanotoa: confirmed
- Zhar/Lloigor: confirmed, sort of
- Bokrug: not confirmed, but very safe bet, since Kevin Wilson "blundered" that name. Also, it is one of the few GOOs mentioned by Lovecraft himself that are still missing (Ghatanotoa being one other)


I'd guess that the last GOOs would come from the better-known ones, and from the more "traditional" writers...

Frank Belknap Long:
=> Chaugnar Faugn - the only big one by him;

Ramsey Campbell:
=> Daoloth - the last one of his 5 biggies to be missing (although Ghroth went herald), quite probable

August Derleth:
=> Cthuga - one of the few well-known Derlethian GOOs (apart from Ithaqua), I'd say very probable

Henry Kuttner:
=> Nyogtha - best-known supernatural deity; probably
=> Zuchequon, Vordavoss - to unknown, I'd say; quite improbable
=> Hydra - rather, Lovecrafts interpretation, and if, then as a herald; very improbable

Brian Lumley
=> Bugg-Shash, Mnomquah and Oorn - not very probable, I'd say; too unknown
=> others even less known

C.A.Smith
=> Quachil Uttaus - very probable, because of the Dust thing
=> Rlim Shaikorth, Vulthoom, Mordiggian - possible, but not very well-known; I'd say not probable
=> Ubbo-Sathla, too close to Abhoth; very improbable, I think
=> others even less known

I'd guess we'll see Chaugnar Faugn, Cthuga, Quachil Uttaus and Daoloth. The last one, however, I just don't know.
Mordiggian could change ghoules to something more of a threat, althoug I never found him very threatening and scary.
Nyogtha could change Formless Spawns, but I don't know how interesting this would be...

I'm going to name one Bob, one Herman, one Susie...

Great analysis, Dumon! Thanks!

While Cthulhu may not be as powerful as other Great Old Ones, the Message, he is still a Great Old One; Dagon is not.

Solan said:

Depends on sources, but you're right, in canon he is not generally thought of in that way. There is however the theory that Dagon is Cthulhu himself, just worshipped under a name more familiar (Which would render this discussion rather pointless, hehe), and there are other times in which Dagon is depicted in much the same many as the Great Old Ones and Outer Gods, being a mass of writhing tentacles and maddness inducing 'what-have-you's. I prefer the last of these interpretations but the community at large does not seem to see it that way.

If its got Zhar, its almost certainly gonna have Lloigor. Maybe not as a seperate one though.

A Daoloth one would be fabulous.

Zoth Ommog

Chaugnar Faugn

Arwassa

Baoht Z'uqqa-Mogg

Bugg-Shash

Byatis

Cynothoglys

Iod

Lloigor

Orryx

Rlim Shaikorth

Yegg-Ha

PS Hydra is listed as a Great Old one in The Creature Companion 1998 page 77

Slotff said:

What would the potential be of that Zhar token being two-sided, and whatever the mechanic may be, when it is flipped Lloigor's power is in place instead of Zhar and vice versa? Would certainly make for an interesting game if the GOO's power was flipping every few turns.

Still got my hopes up for at least a couple of Ubbo-Sathla, Daoloth, Cyaegha, Zoth-Ommog or Nyogtha.

Hi,

Besides

1. Zhar

2. Bokrug

3. Gathanothoa

I believe that

4. Nyogtha

5. Cthuga

Will definitely appear because FFG already did the card game version of these AO's. They always recycle the card art into Arkham Horror, so these are bound to appear shortly.

6. Quatil Uchaus (sp?)

Because of the dust tokens.

7. Dagon

Well, it's Innsmouth after all... And they already have the card art too, BTW

Nr. 8. could be anything: Daoloth, Cyaegha, Chaugnar Faugn, ... who knows?

but I doubt that it will be Hydra (too Similar to Dagon). It might make a fine herald though.

cheers