New FAQ (1.3), pro-Glaurung

By Dam the Man, in The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game

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I played last night and I still think Zigil Miner can be super powerful, especially when combo'ed with Stargazer or Gildor. When using 3 copies of unique cards that you want out fast, like Vilinor, Asfaloth, Vilya etc, Miner can plow those extras out of your deck once you have them already. He can sift the deck and give one or two resources a turn doing so. If you take one Miner, Beravor, and your standard draw, that is going through five cards a turn. You might not have them all in your hand but the cards you need are there, most likely with enough resources to pay for them.

I find this to be pretty nice.

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Okay, now I am a bit confused myself, as "Makeshift Passage" (TWitW) which is works similar as "Abandoned Tools" includes the phrase " bypassing any active location ".

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leptokurt said:

Okay, now I am a bit confused myself, as "Makeshift Passage" (TWitW) which is works similar as "Abandoned Tools" includes the phrase " bypassing any active location ".

I am also a bit confused with that but still think loction should be explored first.

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leptokurt said:

Glaurung said:

(1.27) Bypass the active location
The only time an active location does not act as a buffer for progress to be placed on a quest is when card text specifically instructs the players to “bypass” the active location.

So it mean when i have a tool and exhaust a hero to put token on the quest card(Flight from Moria quest) if there is a active location token will be placed on active location? Right?

In your case the quest card explicitely states " Exhaust a hero to put a progress token on Escape from Darkness ". There's no much room for interpretation here. The golden rule applies and the card text overrules the lack of the "bypass" keyword. So no, the progress token would be placed on the quest card. Note that this is not about "progress" or "quest cards" in general, but specifically about " Escape from Darkness ".

Personally I agree with you, however the designer ruled the opposite quite some time ago (here: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/764308/abandoned-tools-question-received-official-answer ).

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Ranger of the Force said:

Can someone explain the new ruling on action windows during the quest phase? I always thought you could play events and take actions prior to committing characters to quest ala the green area in the rule book.

I believe the intent of the update was to reinforce the Turn Sequence charts in the rulebook. As you accurately noted, there is a player action window at the beginning of the Quest Phase in the Turn Sequence charts. However, the language in the rulebook (Pg. 14) stated that a player could "take actions and play event cards at the end of each step." The new language simply reflects the way everyone has been playing it all along.

Wassup, hoosiers?!? If you're from Indiana, let me hear say, "HOLLA!"

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booored said:

Golden_Nightingale said:

Yeah, I'm very frustrated and disappointed with shadow cards staying around as well as having to still resolve an attack from an enemy that was returned to the staging area. Seriously? I can't attack an enemy in the staging area except by card effects, why should "disengaged" enemies get the privilege?

This isn't what the new rule adjustment is saying. If you push a card into the staging area, then it dose not attack. All this rule is saying is that if teh card makes a legal atatck out side of the combat step.. say thoug the use of Ambush, then it is also delt a shadow card.. just like a normal attack.

The best way to look at it is that if the attack is initiated, it will resolve, regardless of where the enemy ends-up being located. The key will be to use displacement cards (like ALitD) after engagement checks are made and before shadow cards are dealt.

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jjeagle said:

leptokurt said:

Glaurung said:

(1.27) Bypass the active location
The only time an active location does not act as a buffer for progress to be placed on a quest is when card text specifically instructs the players to “bypass” the active location.

So it mean when i have a tool and exhaust a hero to put token on the quest card(Flight from Moria quest) if there is a active location token will be placed on active location? Right?

In your case the quest card explicitely states " Exhaust a hero to put a progress token on Escape from Darkness ". There's no much room for interpretation here. The golden rule applies and the card text overrules the lack of the "bypass" keyword. So no, the progress token would be placed on the quest card. Note that this is not about "progress" or "quest cards" in general, but specifically about " Escape from Darkness ".

Personally I agree with you, however the designer ruled the opposite quite some time ago (here: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/764308/abandoned-tools-question-received-official-answer ).

Thanks for clearing that.

That means it's better to keep locations in the staging area.

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Pericles said:

Wassup, hoosiers?!? If you're from Indiana, let me hear say, "HOLLA!"

Actually, if you are from Indiana I think it would be pronounced "Holler!" As such…HOLLER!

Thank you for the clarification by the way.