Mother of all question lists… review and debate

By mbm, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

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Attachments
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Motley
Attach to an opponent's character. Attached character's controller must give you 1 gold token from his or her gold pool each time he or she wishes to declare attached character as an attacker or defender, or trigger attached character's ability.
What is exactly character ability? Keywords? Passive such as stanis (nightwatch get +1) or a response ability?
If Ghost is attached with Motley, the player needs to pay 1 for using Ghost as an attacker, and 1 for using the stealth ability?
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Poisoned Wine
Attached character gets -2 STR. Any Phase: Kneel 1 influence to move Poisoned Wine to another eligible character.
After attached character is killed, can the Poisoned Wine be moved to another character? After a duplicate is killed, does the Poisoned Wine remain attached?
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Flame-Kissed
If attached character has no other attachments, attached character gets -2 STR and is killed if its STR is 0.
After a duplicate is killed, does the Flame-Kissed remain attached? Two Flame-Kissed will cancel each other?
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Milk of the Poppy
Treat attached character as though its text box were blank (except for Traits).
Does it blank text that is added from attachments, such as Aegon's Blade? After a duplicate is killed, does the Milk of the Poppy remain attached?
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Seafarer's Bow
Challenges: Kneel attached character to choose a participating character. Until the end of the phase, that character gets +2 STR. (Limit once per phase.) Challenges: Kneel Seafarer's Bow to choose a participating character. Until the end of the phase, that character gets +2 STR. (Limit once per phase.)
Can a player kneel both the Seafarer's Bow and the attached character, in order to give another character +4 STR?
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Locked Away
Any Phase: Kneel 1 influence to have attached character lose 1 icon of your choice until the end of the phase.
Can the Locked Away be initiated after the attached character was declared as an attacker/defender?
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Court Advisor
After you play Court Advisor, draw 1 card. Attached character gains an I icon.
After you draw the card, can you use it on the marshalling phase?
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Rusted Sword
Attached character gets +2 STR and gains a M icon. Any Phase: Kneel 1 influence to attach Rusted Sword from your hand to a character you control.
Can a player give Rusted Sword to a character that was declared as an attacker/defender?
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A Pinch of Powder
After A Pinch of Powder comes out of Shadows, attach it to a character. Limited Response: After you win an I or P challenge by 3 or more STR, return the attached character to its owner's hand. Then, you may kneel 3 influence to return A Pinch of Powder to Shadows. (Limit 1 limited response per round.)
After A Pinch of Powder was played on a character that has duplicated and attachments, what is returned to the player's hand?
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Vale Scavenger
Clansman character only. Any Phase: Kneel attached character to choose a player. That player draws 1 card.
Can a player attach Vale Scavenger on a clansman controlled by another player and kneel that clansman?
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Tyrion's Thug
Clansman character only. Any Phase: Discard 1 card from your hand to stand or kneel attached character.
Is it possible to stand an attacking/defending character, thus getting that character out of the challenge?
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Flaming Sword
Limit 1 per character. Attached character gets +1 STR and cannot have its STR lowered by card effects. If attached character is Beric Dondarrion, he gains: 'After Beric Dondarrion claims power for renown, he claims 1 additional power.'
Are there no means to lower STR to a character attached with Flaming Sword?
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Wildling Mead
Wildling character only. Any Phase: Kneel Wildling Mead to stand attached character.
Is it possible to stand an attacking/defending character, thus getting that character out of the challenge?
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Longclaw
Attached character gains renown. If attached character is Jon Snow, he also gets +2 STR. After attached character leaves play, you may attach Longclaw to a Night's Watch character instead of placing it in your discard pile.
If all characters were kill due to plot, (Valar Morgolis, etc.) can Longclaw be saved until marshalling phase?
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Pulled Under
At the end of the dominance phase, return Pulled Under and attached character to the bottom of their owners' decks.
If Pulled Under is attached to a character with other attachments and duplicates, what cards will be moved to the bottom of the deck?
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R'hllor's Blessing
After you play R'hllor's Blessing, draw 1 card. Attached character gets +2 STR.
After drawing a card, can this card be used on the marshalling phase?
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Attach to a location. If you control at least 1 Wildling character, treat attached location as if its printed text box were blank. If you control at least 2 Wildling characters, Climbing Spikes is immune to opponents' triggered effects.
What is considered as triggered effects? Plots, events, character abilities, etc…?
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The Price of Nobility
Attach to a N character you control. Response: After attached character leaves play, take 3 gold from the treasury and add it to your gold pool.
Can The Price Of Nobility be triggered when a duplicate is discarded?
Characters
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Ser Rodrik Cassel
Ser Rodrik Cassel does not kneel to defend. Ser Rodrik Cassel gets +2 STR while defending.
Since Rodrik does not kneel to defend, does it mean he cannot be discarded from battle using Jhogo's whip?
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Sansa Stark
Response: After a player plays an attachment on Sansa Stark, that player may draw a card.
Can any player trigger this response or just the owner of Sansa?
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Tywin Lannister
At the beginning of the marshalling phase, take 2 gold from the treasury and place it on Tywin Lannister. You may spend gold tokens on Tywin Lannister as if they are in your gold pool.
When the Rains of Autumn plot is played, does Tywin receive gold from the treasury? If Tywin has coins on him and a player attached him with the Milk of the popy, may those coins be used?
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Ser Ilyn Payne
Marshalling: Kneel Ser Ilyn Payne to choose and kill a character with STR 2 or lower.
Can Ser Ilyn Payne be knelt at the end of the marshalling phase, after the players revealed their marshaled cards?
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Ser Jacelyn Bywater
Immune to character abilities.
Response: After Ser Jacelyn Bywater is killed, each opponent must choose and discard a card at random from his or her hand, if able.
Is he immune to: Keywords? Passive such as stanis (nightwatch get +1) or a response ability?
If he is immune to stanis' passive, then nightwatch don’t get +1 when Bywater is participating in the challenge?
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Maester Cressen
Marshalling: Kneel Maester Cressen to choose and discard a Condition attachment from play.
If Maester Cressen was marshaled with a Milk of the poppy, is he able to discard it before it is attached to him?
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Benjen Stark
After Benjen Stark is killed, all players must shuffle their dead piles back into their decks.
Is Benjen Stark included in the shuffle?
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Varys
Plot: If you have more than one opponent, kneel Varys to choose an opponent. Until the end of the round, switch plot decks and used plot piles with that opponent.
If a player controls Varys and Bran, can he switch plot decks with an opponent and then use Bran to switch the plot as well?
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Shae
Challenges: Kneel Shae to choose and kneel a character controlled by a player with more power than you.
What power counts? On house card only?
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Scurvy Cutthroat
Response: After an opponent plays an attachment card, discard Scurvy Cutthroat from play (cannot be saved) to discard that attachment from play.
If Scurvy is marshaled with a Milk of the poppy, can he trigger the response before being attached?
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Robb Stark
If Robb Stark is the only King character in play, he gains: ';Any Phase: Kneel Robb Stark to reduce the cost of the next HS army you play this phase to 0.';
Can a player kneel Robb Stark at the beginning of the dominance phase, stand him during the standing phase, and have the army on the next marshaling phase reduced to 0 cost?
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House Dayne Reserves
If House Dayne Reserves is discarded from your hand for the claim of an I challenge, put it into play instead of your discard pile. Any Phase: Kneel 1 influence to return House Dayne Reserves to its owner's hand.
Can House Dayne Reserves be saved from Valar Morgolis by kneeling 1 influence and returning them to the owner hand, when the plot are revelead?
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Brienne of Tarth
While Brienne of Tarth is participating in a challenge, opponents cannot trigger effects.
What is considered an effect? Only the character responses?
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Blood-Crazed Screamer
If you have won a single M challenge as the attacker this phase, you may declare 1 additional M challenge (to a maximum of 2) by declaring Blood-Crazed Screamer and any number of eligible Dothraki characters as attackers.
If you have 1 additional military challenge via a plot card, can you use the Blood-Crazed Screamer ability? If you control 2 Blood-Crazed Screamer, can you add two more attacks? (4 total).
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Cragorn
Any Phase: Return Cragorn to your hand to take 1 gold from an opponent's gold pool and add it to your own.
Can a player declare Cragorn as an attacker/defender and during the challenge – return Cragorn to his hand? Can Cragorn be saved from Valar Morgolis using this method?
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Dothraki Handmaiden
Challenges: Kneel Dothraki Handmaiden to choose an attacking Dothraki character. Until the end of the challenge, that character gets +2 STR.
If Dotharki Handmaiden was knelt during challenges phase in order to give a character +2 STR, does this effect remain even if Dotharki Handmaiden is killed/discarded?
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Roose Bolton
Roose Bolton does not kneel to attack during I challenges. Response: After you win a challenge in which Roose Bolton participated, all players take control of each character they own currently in play.
If Roose Bolton and Reek attack together, what would be the outcome? Would Reek's response be dismissed by Roose's?
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Ghost
Any Phase: Return Ghost to his owner's hand.
Ghost's response can save him from Valar Morgolis?
EVENTS
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Distraction
Marshalling: Choose a character with a M icon. Kneel that character.
What is the proper order to use distraction? Can it be played after all marshaled cards are visible?
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I'm You Writ Small
Challenges: Choose a character. Until the end of the phase, that character gains deadly. Then, attach I'm You Writ Small to a HL character (counts as a Boon attachment with the text ';Attached character gets +2 STR';).
Attached character gains the deadly keyword for the duration of the phase, and +2 STR once the phase is over, or once the card is attached?
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Muster
Marshalling: Kneel one of your Knight characters to search your deck for a Knight character, reveal it to all players, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your deck.
Is it possible to marshal the knight that was brought to hand, using Muster?
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Lords of the Narrow Sea
Any Phase: Kneel 3 influence or kneel a N character to force an opponent to reveal a new plot card. If the newly revealed plot card has a lower income than yours, claim 1 power for your House.
Will the "when revealed" properties the plot card occur?
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Retreat
Response: After one of your unique characters is killed, return that character to your hand instead of placing it in your dead pile.
Is Retreat considered a save from death?
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Distinct Mastery
Any Phase: Choose and stand a H , L , N , or W character.
Can Distinct Mastery be used on an attacker/defender, thus, removing them from the current challenge?
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Assertion of Might
Response: After you win an unopposed challenge, kneel 4 influence or kneel a W character to claim 3 power for your House. (Limit 1 per phase.)
Cant it be used in the same phase with Make an Example (which is also limit 1 per phase)?
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The Prince's Wrath
Challenges: Kneel 1 influence to choose 1 character. Until the end of the phase, that character loses a M , an I , and a P icon.
Is it possible to use The Prince's Wrath on an attacking/defending character? Thus, neglecting it's STR from the challenge.
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When I Woke…
Response: After a M challenge resolves, kneel 1 influence to have the losing player choose 1 participating character and put that character on top of its owner's deck.
If the winning player attacked with duplicates attached, what will go back to the top of his deck?
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Patience
Any Phase: Choose and return 1 character you control to its owner's hand.
Can a character be saved from Valar Morgolis with Patience?

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Seems like you might want to read the FAQ. A whole bunch of your questions are basic timing and game definitions that are covered in that documents.

mbm said:

Motley
Attach to an opponent's character. Attached character's controller must give you 1 gold token from his or her gold pool each time he or she wishes to declare attached character as an attacker or defender, or trigger attached character's ability.
What is exactly character ability? Keywords? Passive such as stanis (nightwatch get +1) or a response ability?
If Ghost is attached with Motley, the player needs to pay 1 for using Ghost as an attacker, and 1 for using the stealth ability?
What you really want to know here is the definition of a triggered ability. If the ability is not triggered, then Motley does not affect it.
Triggered abilities are anything that happen only because the player wants it to happen. The simplest short-hand is that trigged abilities are anything on the card that stards with a bold timing word like "Response," "Any Phase," "Challenges," etc. Anything else is a passive effect that happens whether the card's controller "wishes" for it to happen or not, so would not be subject to Motley.
mbm said:
Poisoned Wine
Attached character gets -2 STR. Any Phase: Kneel 1 influence to move Poisoned Wine to another eligible character.
After attached character is killed, can the Poisoned Wine be moved to another character? After a duplicate is killed, does the Poisoned Wine remain attached?
Moving Poison Wine is a standard "Any Phase" effect. When a character is killed, it is physically removed from the table - and all its attachments, power, etc. discarded - before any player can use a new, standard "Any Phase" ability. So by the time Poison Wine can be moved when the attached character dies, the attachment is already in the discard pile. When a duplicate is "killed" (by which I assume you mean "a duplicate is discarded to save the character from being killed"), the character never dies, never leaves play, and never loses its attachments, power, etc.
mbm said:
Flame-Kissed
If attached character has no other attachments, attached character gets -2 STR and is killed if its STR is 0.
After a duplicate is killed, does the Flame-Kissed remain attached? Two Flame-Kissed will cancel each other?
You cannot "kill" a duplicate for a Flame-Kissed character. Duplicates are not "killed" - they are discarded to save the original character. If you save the original character when its STR is 0, doesn't its STR remain 0? So doesn't it just die all over again? So unless you have a way to stop the character from being killed all over again (by raising its STR, or returning to to hand when you save it, etc.), you cannot try to save it.
And is there any particular reason you were thinking 2 copies of Flame-Kissed would not count as "other attachments" for one-another, thereby inactivating both?
mbm said:
Milk of the Poppy
Treat attached character as though its text box were blank (except for Traits).
Does it blank text that is added from attachments, such as Aegon's Blade? After a duplicate is killed, does the Milk of the Poppy remain attached?
Whenever a card's text box is blanked, only the printed text box is blanked. Therefore, any text or abilities it gains from other sources are still there. And again, using a duplicate is saving the character. It never dies. Since it never dies, nothing changes - so it keeps all attachments, etc.
mbm said:
Seafarer's Bow
Challenges: Kneel attached character to choose a participating character. Until the end of the phase, that character gets +2 STR. (Limit once per phase.) Challenges: Kneel Seafarer's Bow to choose a participating character. Until the end of the phase, that character gets +2 STR. (Limit once per phase.)
Can a player kneel both the Seafarer's Bow and the attached character, in order to give another character +4 STR?
They are two separate effects that are triggered indendently of each other. Is there any particular reason you would think that you could not trigger the two of them separately for a total of +4STR?
mbm said:
Locked Away
Any Phase: Kneel 1 influence to have attached character lose 1 icon of your choice until the end of the phase.
Can the Locked Away be initiated after the attached character was declared as an attacker/defender?
Well, it can be initiated after the character is declared as an attacker or defender, but it won't mean anything. Icons are only checked when the character is declared as an attacker or defender. They are not checked at challenge resolution, nor are they required for "continued" participation. Losing the icon during the challenge does not remove the character from the challenge or stop it from adding its STR in any way. So yeah, you can technically use the attachment after the character is declared, but you accomplish nothing by doing so. You have to remove icons in anticipation of how the character will be used in challenges - not as a reaction to undo how they have already been used.
mbm said:
Court Advisor
After you play Court Advisor, draw 1 card. Attached character gains an I icon.
After you draw the card, can you use it on the marshalling phase?
Again, any particular reason you would think that you can't use a card in your hand at any time - assuming it's play restrictions are met?
mbm said:
Rusted Sword
Attached character gets +2 STR and gains a M icon. Any Phase: Kneel 1 influence to attach Rusted Sword from your hand to a character you control.
Can a player give Rusted Sword to a character that was declared as an attacker/defender?
All players have a chance to triggere effects after attackers are declared/before defenders are declared, and again after defenders are declared/before the challenge resolves. There is nothing in the text of Rusted Sword saying it cannot be used on a participating character or while a challenge is going on, so there is nothing stopping you from using it to boost a character's STR during a challenge.
mbm said:
A Pinch of Powder
After A Pinch of Powder comes out of Shadows, attach it to a character. Limited Response: After you win an I or P challenge by 3 or more STR, return the attached character to its owner's hand. Then, you may kneel 3 influence to return A Pinch of Powder to Shadows. (Limit 1 limited response per round.)
After A Pinch of Powder was played on a character that has duplicated and attachments, what is returned to the player's hand?
You only do what the card says to do. The character is returned to it's owner's hand (assuming you don't discard a duplicate to save the character and leave it in play), and Pinch of Powder goes to Shadows if the extra influence is paid. Other than that, with no other instructions, everything else is discarded.
mbm said:
Vale Scavenger
Clansman character only. Any Phase: Kneel attached character to choose a player. That player draws 1 card.
Can a player attach Vale Scavenger on a clansman controlled by another player and kneel that clansman?
No. Kneeling the attached character is a cost of the attachment's effect. You cannot pay costs with cards controlled by other players.
mbm said:
Tyrion's Thug
Clansman character only. Any Phase: Discard 1 card from your hand to stand or kneel attached character.
Is it possible to stand an attacking/defending character, thus getting that character out of the challenge?
Where does it say that standing an attacking/defending character removes it from the challenge. You can use the effect if the attached character is in the challenge - thereby standing or kneeling it - but since the card doesn't say it removes the character from the challenge, it doesn't. Characters are not required to be kneeling in order to participate in a challenge. And once a character is declared as an attacker or defender, it stays an attacker or defender - unless it is specifically removed from the challenge, or removed from play.
mbm said:
Flaming Sword
Limit 1 per character. Attached character gets +1 STR and cannot have its STR lowered by card effects. If attached character is Beric Dondarrion, he gains: 'After Beric Dondarrion claims power for renown, he claims 1 additional power.'
Are there no means to lower STR to a character attached with Flaming Sword?
That depends on what you mean by "lower STR." The word "cannot" is absolute, so if a character has this attachment, nothing that says "character gets -X STR" is going to work. However, if something says "character gets +X STR until the end of the phase," he's still going to lose the +X STR at the end of the phase. This is because STR is always calculated by taking the base STR and factoring in all the applicable modifiers. It is never calculated by starting with what it was a minute ago and factoring in just the newest situation. So losing a +X modifier is not "lowering" the card's STR. The character's STR can be lower than it was earlier in the round by losing access to a bonus.
mbm said:
Wildling Mead
Wildling character only. Any Phase: Kneel Wildling Mead to stand attached character.
Is it possible to stand an attacking/defending character, thus getting that character out of the challenge?
See above. Simply standing a character does not remove it from the challenge.
mbm said:
Longclaw
Attached character gains renown. If attached character is Jon Snow, he also gets +2 STR. After attached character leaves play, you may attach Longclaw to a Night's Watch character instead of placing it in your discard pile.
If all characters were kill due to plot, (Valar Morgolis, etc.) can Longclaw be saved until marshalling phase?
No. If you have no character to move it to when the attached character leaves play, Longclaw is discarded.
mbm said:
Pulled Under
At the end of the dominance phase, return Pulled Under and attached character to the bottom of their owners' decks.
If Pulled Under is attached to a character with other attachments and duplicates, what cards will be moved to the bottom of the deck?
Again, only the ones that the card says go to the bottom of the deck. Pulled Under and the character go to the bottom of their owner's decks. With no other instructions, anything else on that character (attachments, duplicates, power, etc.) is discarded.
mbm said:
R'hllor's Blessing
After you play R'hllor's Blessing, draw 1 card. Attached character gets +2 STR.
After drawing a card, can this card be used on the marshalling phase?
See above. Is there any specific reason to think that you cannot use a card that is in your hand?
mbm said:
Attach to a location. If you control at least 1 Wildling character, treat attached location as if its printed text box were blank. If you control at least 2 Wildling characters, Climbing Spikes is immune to opponents' triggered effects.
What is considered as triggered effects? Plots, events, character abilities, etc…?
See Motley. Triggered effects are the effects that only happen because a player wants them to. If they happen automatically, they are not triggered.
mbm said:
The Price of Nobility
Attach to a N character you control. Response: After attached character leaves play, take 3 gold from the treasury and add it to your gold pool.
Can The Price Of Nobility be triggered when a duplicate is discarded?
If a duplicate is discarded to save the character, the character didn't leave play. If the character didn't leave play, you haven't met the play restrictions for this Response.
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mbm said:

Ser Rodrik Cassel
Ser Rodrik Cassel does not kneel to defend. Ser Rodrik Cassel gets +2 STR while defending.
Since Rodrik does not kneel to defend, does it mean he cannot be discarded from battle using Jhogo's whip?
On Jhogo's whip, standing the character and removing it from the challenge are two separate parts of the same effect. You can remove the character from the challenge without it having to go from kneeling to standing. It is not the change from kneeling to standing that removes the character from the challenge - it is the effect of the Whip itself.
mbm said:
Sansa Stark
Response: After a player plays an attachment on Sansa Stark, that player may draw a card.
Can any player trigger this response or just the owner of Sansa?
You can never trigger effects on cards you do not control. Her effect is worded the way it is for making deals in multiplayer games. "Give Sansa a good attachment and I'll let you draw a card."
mbm said:
Tywin Lannister
At the beginning of the marshalling phase, take 2 gold from the treasury and place it on Tywin Lannister. You may spend gold tokens on Tywin Lannister as if they are in your gold pool.
When the Rains of Autumn plot is played, does Tywin receive gold from the treasury? If Tywin has coins on him and a player attached him with the Milk of the popy, may those coins be used?
Tywin's effect is not an income bonus to be added into your plot card. It is a completely separate effect. So Rains of Autumn, which only affect income bonuses, does not affect Tywin. Of course, you are not normally allowed to spend gold that is on characters in order to buy stuff, so if Tywin loses his text, his gold is useless.
mbm said:
Ser Ilyn Payne
Marshalling: Kneel Ser Ilyn Payne to choose and kill a character with STR 2 or lower.
Can Ser Ilyn Payne be knelt at the end of the marshalling phase, after the players revealed their marshaled cards?
"Revealed their Marshaled cards"? What does that mean? When a player Marshals a card, it enters play, face up and ready to go. Payne can use his ability as soon as he enters play. So, it is not unsual for Lannister to see "action 1 - play Payne; action 2 - kill character with Payne."
mbm said:
Ser Jacelyn Bywater
Immune to character abilities.
Response: After Ser Jacelyn Bywater is killed, each opponent must choose and discard a card at random from his or her hand, if able.
Is he immune to: Keywords? Passive such as stanis (nightwatch get +1) or a response ability?
If he is immune to stanis' passive, then nightwatch don’t get +1 when Bywater is participating in the challenge?
Keywords are not character abilites. All other text on a character card that is in-play would be considered a character ability. Immunity only lets the card ignore effects that are applied to it. Immunity does not "shut off" anything for any other card. So while Bywater would be immune if Stannis was trying to give him +1 STR, his own immunity doesn't stop any other character from getting the +1.
Seriously, check out the FAQ. There is a much more detailed explanation of immunity in there.
mbm said:
Maester Cressen
Marshalling: Kneel Maester Cressen to choose and discard a Condition attachment from play.
If Maester Cressen was marshaled with a Milk of the poppy, is he able to discard it before it is attached to him?
No. By the time he could use his own ability, Milk of the Poppy is already completely in play and blanking his text.
mbm said:
Benjen Stark
After Benjen Stark is killed, all players must shuffle their dead piles back into their decks.
Is Benjen Stark included in the shuffle?
No. And neither is any character killed at the same time or by the same effect as Benjen.
mbm said:
Varys
Plot: If you have more than one opponent, kneel Varys to choose an opponent. Until the end of the round, switch plot decks and used plot piles with that opponent.
If a player controls Varys and Bran, can he switch plot decks with an opponent and then use Bran to switch the plot as well?
Sure. Why not?
mbm said:
Shae
Challenges: Kneel Shae to choose and kneel a character controlled by a player with more power than you.
What power counts? On house card only?
You power total is, at all times, the amount on your House card plus the amount on character you control.
mbm said:
Scurvy Cutthroat
Response: After an opponent plays an attachment card, discard Scurvy Cutthroat from play (cannot be saved) to discard that attachment from play.
If Scurvy is marshaled with a Milk of the poppy, can he trigger the response before being attached?
No. By the time you can trigger his Response, Milk of the Poppy is completely in play and blanking him.
mbm said:
Robb Stark
If Robb Stark is the only King character in play, he gains: ';Any Phase: Kneel Robb Stark to reduce the cost of the next HS army you play this phase to 0.';
Can a player kneel Robb Stark at the beginning of the dominance phase, stand him during the standing phase, and have the army on the next marshaling phase reduced to 0 cost?
How is kneeling him in Dominance, but not playing the Army until Marshalling the next round reducing the cost of the next Army you play this phase? You have to kneel Robb and play the Army in the same phase.
mbm said:
House Dayne Reserves
If House Dayne Reserves is discarded from your hand for the claim of an I challenge, put it into play instead of your discard pile. Any Phase: Kneel 1 influence to return House Dayne Reserves to its owner's hand.
Can House Dayne Reserves be saved from Valar Morgolis by kneeling 1 influence and returning them to the owner hand, when the plot are revelead?
No. Basic timing again. You can only interrupt other effects with Responses that use the words "save" or "cancel." Otherwise, the effect has to resolve completely before you can trigger another effect. By the time you can trigger the "Any Phase" effect on the Reserves when Valar is revealed, they are already dead.
mbm said:
Brienne of Tarth
While Brienne of Tarth is participating in a challenge, opponents cannot trigger effects.
What is considered an effect? Only the character responses?
Again, the important word here is "trigger." See the answer to Motley. Brienne means opponents pretty much cannot do anything that requires them to use a card or effect - even events.
mbm said:
Blood-Crazed Screamer
If you have won a single M challenge as the attacker this phase, you may declare 1 additional M challenge (to a maximum of 2) by declaring Blood-Crazed Screamer and any number of eligible Dothraki characters as attackers.
If you have 1 additional military challenge via a plot card, can you use the Blood-Crazed Screamer ability? If you control 2 Blood-Crazed Screamer, can you add two more attacks? (4 total).
"Maximum of 2" means 2 total challenges. You cannot use the Screamer's effect if you are already able to initiate 2 or more military challenges in the phase.
mbm said:
Cragorn
Any Phase: Return Cragorn to your hand to take 1 gold from an opponent's gold pool and add it to your own.
Can a player declare Cragorn as an attacker/defender and during the challenge – return Cragorn to his hand? Can Cragorn be saved from Valar Morgolis using this method?
Cragorn can be used any time the player is allowed to take actions - including during the challenge. But his effect is not a "save" effect, so he cannot use it after a kill effect has been initiated - but before it resovles. (See House Dayne Reserves.)
mbm said:
Dothraki Handmaiden
Challenges: Kneel Dothraki Handmaiden to choose an attacking Dothraki character. Until the end of the challenge, that character gets +2 STR.
If Dotharki Handmaiden was knelt during challenges phase in order to give a character +2 STR, does this effect remain even if Dotharki Handmaiden is killed/discarded?
Her effect says the character gets +2 until the end of the challenges. So once you use the effect, the duration is determined by the duration of the challenge, not be her presence. She can leave play during the challenge and the +2 will still be valid.
mbm said:
Roose Bolton
Roose Bolton does not kneel to attack during I challenges. Response: After you win a challenge in which Roose Bolton participated, all players take control of each character they own currently in play.
If Roose Bolton and Reek attack together, what would be the outcome? Would Reek's response be dismissed by Roose's?
Depends. You choose the order in which the Responses are triggered - if at all. If you trigger Roose first, then tigger Reek, Reek's control change will not be affected by Roose. Do it the other way around, and it will. And, of course, you could always choose NOT to trigger Roose and leave all characters where they are.
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Ghost
Any Phase: Return Ghost to his owner's hand.
Ghost's response can save him from Valar Morgolis?
Asked and answered. Same timing issues as other cards mentioned above. If the card doesn't say it saves, it cannot be used between initiating and resolving andother effect (like Valar).
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mbm said:

Distraction
Marshalling: Choose a character with a M icon. Kneel that character.
What is the proper order to use distraction? Can it be played after all marshaled cards are visible?
I'm still baffled by this "all marshaled cards are visible" phrase. When a card is played during Marshaling, it is "visible" imediately. So you can use Distraction any time you want before the end of the Marshaling phase.
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I'm You Writ Small
Challenges: Choose a character. Until the end of the phase, that character gains deadly. Then, attach I'm You Writ Small to a HL character (counts as a Boon attachment with the text ';Attached character gets +2 STR';).
Attached character gains the deadly keyword for the duration of the phase, and +2 STR once the phase is over, or once the card is attached?
The character that the event is attached to, which does not have to be the same character that gets the Deadly, gets the +2 as soon as the card is attached.
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Muster
Marshalling: Kneel one of your Knight characters to search your deck for a Knight character, reveal it to all players, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your deck.
Is it possible to marshal the knight that was brought to hand, using Muster?
Why wouldn't it be? Is there any particular reason to think you cannot use a card that is in your hand?
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Lords of the Narrow Sea
Any Phase: Kneel 3 influence or kneel a N character to force an opponent to reveal a new plot card. If the newly revealed plot card has a lower income than yours, claim 1 power for your House.
Will the "when revealed" properties the plot card occur?
Sure. You revealed the plot, didn't you?
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Retreat
Response: After one of your unique characters is killed, return that character to your hand instead of placing it in your dead pile.
Is Retreat considered a save from death?
No. It doesn't use the word "save," so it is not a save. The character dies (and thus loses all power, attachments, etc.) and still leaves play - just like a dead card would. The only difference is that it is placed in your hand instead of in the dead pile.
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Distinct Mastery
Any Phase: Choose and stand a H , L , N , or W character.
Can Distinct Mastery be used on an attacker/defender, thus, removing them from the current challenge?
Asked and answered above. Standing a character that is participating in a challenge does not remove it from the challenge.
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Assertion of Might
Response: After you win an unopposed challenge, kneel 4 influence or kneel a W character to claim 3 power for your House. (Limit 1 per phase.)
Cant it be used in the same phase with Make an Example (which is also limit 1 per phase)?
The limit applied to cards names "Assertion of Might." It does not apply to cards named "Make an Example." Unless the limit specifically applies to other cards (like on "Limited Response" cards), it only applies to itself.
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The Prince's Wrath
Challenges: Kneel 1 influence to choose 1 character. Until the end of the phase, that character loses a M , an I , and a P icon.
Is it possible to use The Prince's Wrath on an attacking/defending character? Thus, neglecting it's STR from the challenge.
Asked and answered with attachments above. Removing an icon during the challenge does not remove the character from the challenge or stop it from counting its STR. The game only cares what icons a character has when it is declared as an attacker or defender - and at no other times.
mbm said:
When I Woke…
Response: After a M challenge resolves, kneel 1 influence to have the losing player choose 1 participating character and put that character on top of its owner's deck.
If the winning player attacked with duplicates attached, what will go back to the top of his deck?
Assuming you don't save the character from being returned to the top of the deck by discarding the dupe, follow the instructions on the card. The card doesn't say anything about attachments, dupes, etc. being put on the top of the deck, so they are discarded.
mbm said:
Patience
Any Phase: Choose and return 1 character you control to its owner's hand.
Can a character be saved from Valar Morgolis with Patience?
Asked and answered. If it doesn't use the word "save," it cannot be used after Valar initiates, but before it resolves.
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Ultimately, a lot of that was the same question asked for different cards.

And a lot of it was general timing and definitions and are answered in the FAQ (which can be found here). You really are going to want to check that out.

Contrary to the title of your post, there is nothing to debate in any of those questions.

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ktom said:

Ultimately, a lot of that was the same question asked for different cards.

And a lot of it was general timing and definitions and are answered in the FAQ (which can be found here). You really are going to want to check that out.

Contrary to the title of your post, there is nothing to debate in any of those questions.

Thank you for your help - 9/10 helpful.

However, your attitude is really lame - 4/10.

I actually have read some of the FAQ but decided that i am not 100% sure, so i wanted to ask some experienced players.

Excuse me for playing this game for only 2-3 weeks.

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ktom said:

Ultimately, a lot of that was the same question asked for different cards.

And a lot of it was general timing and definitions and are answered in the FAQ (which can be found here). You really are going to want to check that out.

Contrary to the title of your post, there is nothing to debate in any of those questions.

Im part of mbm's gaming group, and these were some legitimate questions raised in our sessions.

By people who… dare I say it… are new to the game! And card games in general.

Mostly people wanting to be 100% sure about specific incidents, and how cheese-prone are the official rules.

Thus looking for the highest place of authority we could think of, this forum.

Note that, most of these could have been a simple yes/no answer.

I'd must say your pompous attitude is a major part of what makes getting new people involved in card/board games hard.

Tbh i'd rather risk playing the game wrong then deal with people like you.

Next time if you want to answer a question, try skipping the "let me point out, in details, why your question is extremely stupid" intro.

At the risk of sounding childish, I will quote the legendary Scott Nicholsson in saying; "You are a poo-poo head".

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He is the go to source for rules clarification, as anyone who's been around here for more than a week can attest to, but I agree that there is sometimes a certain arrogance (no offence, seriously, I respect your superior knowledge ;) ) in his responses (usually only when the answers are really obvious to someone who has thoroughly read the rules book and the FAQ, as I would recommend doing if you want a solid understanding of the rules). However, the answers he gave were quite detailed, and he was explaining the reasoning and rules behind each answer, so that no more questions would arise around the same rules (as a number of the questions were the same rules with different examples - saving via duplicates, blanking text, etc.), so you should thank him for his help regardless, imo.

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J_Roel said:

He is the go to source for rules clarification, as anyone who's been around here for more than a week can attest to, but I agree that there is sometimes a certain arrogance (no offence, seriously, I respect your superior knowledge ;) ) in his responses (usually only when the answers are really obvious to someone who has thoroughly read the rules book and the FAQ, as I would recommend doing if you want a solid understanding of the rules). However, the answers he gave were quite detailed, and he was explaining the reasoning and rules behind each answer, so that no more questions would arise around the same rules (as a number of the questions were the same rules with different examples - saving via duplicates, blanking text, etc.), so you should thank him for his help regardless, imo.

True, therefore i did open my comment with a big 9/10 thank you ;)

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mbm said:

True, therefore i did open my comment with a big 9/10 thank you ;)

Yes, but your friend (the one I replied to) didn't. Just saying.

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Ran said:

I'd must say your pompous attitude is a major part of what makes getting new people involved in card/board games hard.

Tbh i'd rather risk playing the game wrong then deal with people like you.

I stand by what I said. Furthermore if he is the spokesman for the games rules, I am sure he put off more people he potentially helped.

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Sometimes the best answers are not yes and no. The best answers are sometimes those with more detail so that you can understand the reason as it will help you learn more about how the game works in similar situations with similar cards.

When ktom asks "Why would you think it works this way?" it is because he wants to understand your line of thinking better so that he can help you understand the card(or cards that work similarly) even better.

Try not to read too much into what can be perceived as a negative tone put into rules answers on this forum. It really is not intentionally negative or condescending. I can tell you that ktom's intentions are all but to put any new players down and he only wants to help you learn the game like he has with many of us in the past. Try to take his answers in with that in mind. :-)

Welcome to the game!

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mbm said:

Thank you for your help - 9/10 helpful.

However, your attitude is really lame - 4/10.

That said, I would ask you to consider things from my point of view before you throw too many stones my way (or resort to name-calling as your friend has):

  • The medium does not convey tone very well. For example, when I ask what in the rules or on the card made you think a certain thing, it is an honest question. If there is something in the rules text that is leading to certain interpretation that seems to be coming from out of left field for us "old-timers," people need to know about it so that we can ask FFG for revisions to the material.
  • This was a list of 46 card-specific questions. Even at 30 sec. per card, you are asking someone to spend close to half an hour answering them. Quite a chore for an internet message board. Add to that, the title "review and debate" could imply that you are not prepared to believe the answers people give you, and people on the defensive to begin with.
  • Contrary to your friend's suggestion, most of these were not really "yes/no" questions, particularly when the rules are viewed as being "cheese-prone." It does no one any good to answer the question "does this standing effect remove the character from the challenge" with "no" (which, to me, sounds even more rude and unfriendly). I think it is better to know why standing the character doesn't remove it from the challenge. "Give a man a fish" vs. "Teach a man to fish," right? However, it can be hard to explain certain basic principles without sounding condescending.
  • Your litany of questions sat there for a few hours, with other questions asked and answered before it. I thought it would be ruder to leave it unanswered.

I agree I could have tried harder to be more understanding in my response. And the form of the question put me at a disadvantage in that regard. I'm sorry for the part I played in the miscommunication.

mbm said:

I actually have read some of the FAQ but decided that i am not 100% sure, so i wanted to ask some experienced players.

So again, I apologize for the tone. The boards in general could benefit from people spending a little bit of time thinking where the other person is coming from. I am certainly guilty of adding to the problem.

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ktom said:

So again, I apologize for the tone. The boards in general could benefit from people spending a little bit of time thinking where the other person is coming from. I am certainly guilty of adding to the problem.

Well… maybe I should also apologize for my tone. Maybe i did read too much into your answers.

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This is one of the things I love about this board.

So we sometimes get irritated with each other? Sure.

Do people sometimes make statements that can come off as condescending or rude? Sure.

What happens what this occurs? Someone says "Hey, you're being mean!" and 8 times out of 10, the result is an apology, and a resolution from both parties to try to be more patient and understanding.

In an Internet where rudeness, insult, shock-behavior, racist comments, and inflammatory statements are the order of the day, this board maintains a very high standard of politeness, helpfulness, understanding, and tolerance.

We are awesome.

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Let me summarize that most of my questions were answered in detail, and i will surely read the FAQ more carefully.

I have more questions (since i added some new decks as well), but i will try to solve them myself first, using the knowledge you bestowed in this topic, and using the FAQ of course.

Next time there won't be repetitive questions, and i'll try to phrase them better!

Thank you again for the time invested answering.

mbm

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This thread made my day! aplauso.gif