Griff is an Agenda but is then Killed as a Character

By Bomb, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Scenario:

Griff is your current agenda but has already been killed as a character.

One of your attachments has just been discarded from play thus making you no longer control more attachments than each opponent.

What happens to the agenda version of Griff?

Relevant text on Griff:

If Griff would be killed, instead attach him to your House Card as your only agenda with text:

'If you do not control more attachments than each opponent, unattach Griff and return him to play.
Response: After a attachment you control is discarded from play, kneel 1 influence to return it to your hand'

Since you cannot play or put into play a unique character that is in your dead pile, he cannot enter play once you no longer control more attachments than each opponent. The question is, would he remain attached as your only agenda or would he go to the discard pile? Or would he somehow be able to enter play(I doubt it)?

My gut says that he stays put. He cannot be put into play, which is an absolute, but the agenda is considered out of play so i dont see how its going to end up in the discard pile. My guess is the effect fizzels.

Underworld40k said:

My gut says that he stays put. He cannot be put into play, which is an absolute, but the agenda is considered out of play so i dont see how its going to end up in the discard pile. My guess is the effect fizzels.

That was the call last time this came up.

"Unattach and put into play" are part of the same effect/resolution. You cannot separate them. So if he cannot be put into play, he is never "unattached," meaning there is no reason to think he would be discarded. He stays put.

Thanks ktom! I was leaning toward that one but then got fulfilling the effect as much as possible stuck in my head. gran_risa.gif