Availability tests!

By Jeans_Stealer, in Dark Heresy Rules Questions

NEXT QUESTION: A player wants an angelus Carbine with red-dot and Aux GL.

TO FIND IT…One test for overall weapon plus upgrades? or three tests, and a trip to the armourer to get it slapped together? Or can a player assemble the weapon himself? what are your thoughts?

How do you do it?

Very good question- I would say depends on who or what he's dealing with. Either method would be valid, you can either stack modifiers for a single roll and save time or have him search for the pieces if you roleplay each one out.

My vote goes for the Stack Modifiers approach if you're doing it in downtime or if he's at some fancy planet where he's likely to find the complete item, instead of a second-hand hand-me downs in like the Underhive where he gets to take what he gets and not much else simply because its not there.

I'd say 3 seprate tests, maybe 2. One could argue that finding a Red Dot within the same place as the GL is doable. But yeah a trip to the armorer would be required unless the player had trade armorer. If they dont then it becomes a matter of finding an armorer who will be willing to work on a weapon that might get him locked up or worse. This price for the job would obviously come with a certain "danger/inconvenience fee" for assembling the weapon. Get creative!!!

Yeah, that is pretty much it. In our game, we split up the Trade: Armourer to Trade: Gunsmith and then an Armor trade. Also, we allow tech-use for some minor adjustments, but a relevant trade makes it go faster. It also allows the PC to fabricate parts (for simple weapons, no crazy plasma, more new receivers for SP weapons, new triggers, etc. A PC with either of those COULD attach extra stuff to an Angelus themselves, finding someone would be harder.

Back on the subject, the Angelus is a rare and illegal gun, and most folks who have one probably don't want to profane it's machine spirit, so they would keep modifications to a minimum. I would let a player find simple upgrades (Red Dot, Telescopic Scope, Aux GL, Bayonet, etc.) at the same place, a gun store/armory. They would have most of those items with ease as well as different makes of weapons (nothing too rare though, though possibly at a more inflated price). With the Angelus, unless you have connections to some group, you will have to take what you get pretty much. Which includes all kinds of models in a variety of conditions. Ease up if they do well on the roll, though. Also, not a weapon that comes out on the open market much.

You can stack stack modifiers as per Rogue Trader. Pick highest modifier and add -5 for every additional item. So angelus is very rare (-30) and -5 for RDS and -5 for GL for total -40.

I would add additional price for combined, ready for use weapon.

Base weapon cost : 2000

plus first most expensive attachment x 1: 250

plus second cheaper attachment x 2: 50x2 =100

for total 2350 or even more if you want to multiply price of attachments further, like x2 for the first, and x3 for second, then final price would be 2650.

I'll use this thread to ask my own question, as it is about availibilty.

Lets say your team of Acolytes has a month of "free" time between assigments. How many tests of inquiry they can make to find the item they wish to buy. If so, how much time it would take. I know there is table describing time & availibilty, but i always assumed that is for when you pass the inquiry test and find that item. Then you use your DoS to reduce time to find etc. But if you fail, how much time you waste? I assume not 1d5 months for very rare item.

Roll it in secret and ask them how much time they wish to devote to it. They spend the time searching: Like if they look for 2 weeks, if they rolled well, they find it then or in the fraction of the time, after the 2 weeks you ask if they want to continue. Remember, for the rare items they may not always be on the market, view it like that. Also, you can do a consolation prize of letting them find something similar. but of an inferior make (bolt pistol -> Volg Spitfire) or quality (1-2 steps lower) or something neat enough, or they find it in 3 weeks, but it sold last week and such.

Campaign took place yesterday!

I allowed them to pick the pop. size they'd limit their search within, how long they were willing to look, and got them to look for items/upgrades seperately - and All armourers for assembly were scarce.

…AND when he looked for THE weapon, the Angelus Carbine, they got a campaign out of it, messing up one of the Gunmetal Fane's plans to overtake part of another, by making it look like another one, all for Fykos (seeing as how they built the Carbine, it should be a 'just' reward.)

…also felt that for every two degrees of success on a medicae test adds another point of healing in First Aid. Medicae is unforgiving…